First Cycle

**CJBills** · 04-19-2009, 09:04 AM

Any input, feedback or criticism in this is greatly appreciated.

Starting my first cycle tomorrow. Here are my stats:

25, 84kg (185lbs), 6', training for 8 years, 10%bf

Test prop eod for 6 weeks at 100mg
Var at 80mg a day for 6 weeks

PCT (a bit confused here as some say not to start this until two weeks after my last injection, however, in the educational threads, it appears that the PCT ends with the injections - can anyone clear this up?)

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

Planning to take milk thistle all the way through the cycle as well.

As a side note, I am in Thailand, so I have a lot of options.

Thanks in advance

**Hunter-S-Thompson** · 04-19-2009, 10:00 AM

with long esters yes you have to wait either 14 days (test E) or 18 days (test C) but your doing test prop so the PCT starts 3 days after your last inject

**Gaspari1255** · 04-19-2009, 10:14 AM

I'd go 8 weeks with the prop.

**Critical Mass** · 04-19-2009, 10:18 AM

You dont need all that pct for a simple 6 weeker. Nolva and clomid for 4 weeks will do. Nice cycle!

**CJBills** · 04-19-2009, 04:18 PM

Thanks very much for all of your help guys

**WARMachine** · 04-19-2009, 04:26 PM

hCG shouldnt be included in PCT anyway.

But overall not a bad cycle, expect a few points.

1) Prop needs to be pinned ED. If you cannot handle ED injections, switch to Test E or C.
2) 75mgs ED. Or 150mgs EOD if you half ass it.
3) Keep extra Nolva on hand during the cycle.
4) Add Clomid to PCT, drop the hCG.

Happy Cycling!

**marcmoran** · 04-19-2009, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by WARMachine

hCG shouldnt be included in PCT anyway.

But overall not a bad cycle, expect a few points.

1) Prop needs to be pinned ED. If you cannot handle ED injections, switch to Test E or C.
2) 75mgs ED. Or 150mgs EOD if you half ass it.
3) Keep extra Nolva on hand during the cycle.
4) Add Clomid to PCT, drop the hCG.

Happy Cycling!

Hy bro,

In case decidind to use Test E or C - would be ok to use just for 6 weeks too?
What dosage would you suggest?

**Big** · 04-19-2009, 07:08 PM

No, you can't use test e or c for just 6 weeks.

**richtries** · 04-19-2009, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by marcmoran

Hy bro,

In case decidind to use Test E or C - would be ok to use just for 6 weeks too?
What dosage would you suggest?

e or c are longer esters so have to be run minimum 10 weeks. I would stick with what you are proposing, 100mg eod, or even better 50mg ed, I´m sure you can grow off 350mg prop per week.

**marcmoran** · 04-19-2009, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by richtries

e or c are longer esters so have to be run minimum 10 weeks. I would stick with what you are proposing, 100mg eod, or even better 50mg ed, I´m sure you can grow off 350mg prop per week.

Will this also be enough to keep my sex drive ok during the cycle?

**Big** · 04-19-2009, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by marcmoran

Will this also be enought to keep my sex drive ok during the cycle?

your sex drive should be raging on a test only cycle, even at very low doses.

**marcmoran** · 04-19-2009, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Big

your sex drive should be raging on a test only cycle, even at very low doses.

Do you mean rasing?

**Big** · 04-19-2009, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by marcmoran

Do you mean rasing?

nope, I don't even think that's a word.

**marcmoran** · 04-19-2009, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Big

nope, I don't even think that's a word.

Sorry for my english I meant raising...
but anyways I was wrong....

**CJBills** · 04-19-2009, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by WARMachine

hCG shouldnt be included in PCT anyway.

But overall not a bad cycle, expect a few points.

1) Prop needs to be pinned ED. If you cannot handle ED injections, switch to Test E or C.
2) 75mgs ED. Or 150mgs EOD if you half ass it.
3) Keep extra Nolva on hand during the cycle.
4) Add Clomid to PCT, drop the hCG.

Happy Cycling!

Woah, new info here. I pinned 100mg this morning and it was very smooth and painless, so I could handle the pin every day. I have amps at 100mg a shot, as it is my first day, I still have some options, but I can't exactly split amps and throwing half an amp a day seems to be wasteful. Is 100mg eod really a half assed cycle? As said before, this is my first, so I want to get it right. How would you proceed? Is 100mg a day too burly for a first cycle?

**busaboy27** · 04-19-2009, 10:52 PM

u dont have to use the amp up in one day ..if i read your post right..?

**CJBills** · 04-19-2009, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by busaboy27

u dont have to use the amp up in one day ..if i read your post right..?

You got it right, but I worry about keeping everything clean here in Thailand. But what you are saying is that I can use 3/4 of an amp, then the next day, use the remaining 1/4 and half of a new one, etc... If I go this route, I suppose I would store the opened amp in the fridge?

I could do that, or I could do 100mg every day.

What do you guys think?

**busaboy27** · 04-19-2009, 11:12 PM

there is no reason to fridge it. i cracked the amp take out what u need and cover it with saran wrap. 100mg ed is alot of test for your first time 300-450 would be a good start per week from my own experience and from many others.. who knows what sides you will get or so forth. also run the test longer. your already shut down your natural test. so might as well run the usual ten weeks

**CJBills** · 04-19-2009, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by busaboy27

there is no reason to fridge it. i cracked the amp take out what u need and cover it with saran wrap. 100mg ed is alot of test for your first time 300-450 would be a good start per week from my own experience and from many others.. who knows what sides you will get or so forth. also run the test longer. your already shut down your natural test. so might as well run the usual ten weeks

cool, thanks man