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    Summer Steroids and Cutting For Noobs!!!

    OK, Last summer i was a fatass luckily i was strong and looked good in a cut off but looked like crap with my shirt off. All i wanted to do was get cut something i had never been. I wanted to get cut the quickest way possible. Which would involve AAS,Proper Diet,and Cardio. I chose to do it without AAS-Steroids .

    If u wanna get cut well ur a little late summer is already here. But its ok dont worry i just got here. U can lose 2lbs a week through diet and cardio alone.
    and its very easy u just have to do it.
    Dont eat Crap hit the Diet Section, Find out what u need to eat. Then Calculate how many calories u need its easy

    Find ur bodyfat say ur 200 pounds and 20% BF then your LBM is 160.
    Divide by 2.2 =72.72 Multiply by 21.6=1570 then add 370=1940

    then take that number an multiply by the activity calc

    1.2 =U dont to much other than workout

    1.4=U workout and get around a good amount

    1.6=U workout and are very active

    1.725=U workout twice a day or u workout and are very very active

    so u get than number say its 3000 so u need about 3000 calories to not lose anything to maintain ur current weight. Then i say subtract 300 calories so u have 2700. So now your in a Deficit and will lose Fat, now ontop of this you will Lift weights as usual (Lift Heavy IMO to keep the Muscle u have 5-8 reps) and you will also do cardio 25-45mins a day, preferably on an empty stomach 1st thing in morning when blood sugar levels are lowest, or whenever you have the time. At this rate you will lose about 1.5 lbs a week do this for 4-6 weeks. After 2 weeks drop 100more calories from either fat or carbs. then 2 weeks later drop another 100 calories if you not at your desired leanness.
    so in 10 weeks you could lose 15-20lbs of fat and keep your muscle being your eating the proper foods, not garbage and lifting heavy.

    Now for the Drugs,
    If you have never done steroids is would keep it that way untill your at least 12-14% BF.
    If you have dont them you probably dont need my advice.

    Ok couple things
    Winny isnt a Fat Burning Cutting steroid . People use it when they CUT and are lean to harden up and dry out, or at least obtain that look.

    Anavar on the other hand can be used for Cutting its expensive but yes u can take it to cut.

    Wouldnt run any of them without Testosterone though but im sure you will.
    You could also use T3 which will help you leanout faster but wouldnt reccomend using it without Test because how Catabolic(Muscle Wasting) it can be. If u do use it though without test keeps your Cals high and use cardio to take the fat off.

    If your a Baddass and arent to High Of Bodyfat, Tren and Test prop with some T3 with shred you to the Bone in no time.

    There's Also Clen but i hope u like not sleeping well and Jitters and Coffee Come down feeling.
    oh ya same goes for the ECA stack Btw

    So its really diet and cardio to Cut, if your scared of needles and i guess some Var if you have the Wallet.
    and as far a HGH goes well if your using HGH to cut u have a huge wallet and minds well get liposuction if you want to lose weight that bad

    I dunno so im sure u still wanna pop a pill and have a 6 pack but it just doesnt work like that sorry.

    *These Statements have not been Evaluated by the FDA and Im not Responsible for what you choose to do.
    Also Im Natty always have been might now always will be LOL but we'll see

    ~AJ

    P.S feel free to ask dumb questions here like.Can i drink winny? Is Var right for me? I wanna run Clen should I? how much T3 do i need?

    so knock yourselves out Summer noobs and ill help ya cuz i was in your boat before, Last June Actually

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    You forgot to put in there that you literally changed your mind on diet and training every other day. I think that more than anything was hindering your gains. Not to be mean but you know I as well as others pointed it out to you several times. Most would say that having a solid plan and sticking to it as planned is probably one of the most important aspects of reaching ones goals.

    You have made very good progress over the last year and I am glad that you have been less knee jerk in your approach in recent times.

    Regards,

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    Ya hes right. Being that im me. I wanted results Instantly and never gave things to much of a chance to work, Once i did though everything worked great you realyl do just have to stick with it.
    What worked best for me was 1.4grams Pro per pound of LBM when cutting and .4-.5 grams far per pound of LBM and the rest carbs.
    I would have got here faster if i would have jsut stuck with it, but hey now i know exactly what mind body likes.

    ALSO leme state this there are many way to Skin a Cat, and for dieting you want the most Optimal, meaning its easy and u feel good on it. and IMO KETO is not that diet.

    -AJ

    ps, thanks MS

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    how do you feel about oral PH for cutting? im sure you metioned that above but im noob to all the abbreviations

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    which one?

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    TT-40 and tren

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    Really i dont think there good. people go afterthem cuz they are "Legal" but in reality there much worse than the real thing.
    Expect water retention some strength and weight gain. Acne,Insomnia,Sweating,HeadAches,and Libido issues. and lose ur gains after you come of. not to mention how bad it is for the liver.

    Whats ur current weight and body fat. if u want a little help losing fat id say drink black coffee before Cardio in the A.M. and Have little or no Pre-wo Carbs

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    13%

    So could you maybe spell out what i should take then lol(in addition to the black coffee before work outs)

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    serious bro its all a waste of money. r u sure ur that lean with thoes stats u should be decent sized compared to avergae. u have any pics?

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    ill try and get one of mid

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    Looks higher than 13% to me.

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    that percentage is about from three and ahalf weeks ago could be more now

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    yup you may wanna kick that 13% up a bit

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    You are higher than 13%. What kind of test did you have done?

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    id say ur about 17% so ur LBM is probably around 160ish
    how active are you?

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    a lot higher than 13%

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    Very active...
    Football from 7:00-11:00 am mon-fri (good cardio here)
    Work from 12:30-4:30 mon-fri
    Work out 5-6:00 or 6:30 mon-sat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loaded6161 View Post
    Very active...
    Football from 7:00-11:00 am mon-fri (good cardio here)
    Work from 12:30-4:30 mon-fri
    Work out 5-6:00 or 6:30 mon-sat
    What about your diet?

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    id say start with 2700kcal ok eat about 5-6 meals Post-wo being ur biggest. do cardio everyday like u are. it seems if u get your diet right u wont have to do much but wait

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    6:30 3 eggs cooked varies ways with usaully toast and OJ and a protein shake after
    10:00 banana/PBaj inbetween practice sections

    11:30 2 sandwiches and another protein shake

    2:30 snack whatever it may be...yogurt or another peice of fruit

    7:30 Usaully a red meat or fish with veggies and another side


    Kinda veg but its what i got atm

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    You need to go to the diet section, your diet lacks so much and there is a lot of guys that can help you out.

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    ya that pretty bad, we can fix it though, but u have to give us Macro's

    off the top of my head for u id say about 80grams fat 250 grams protein and carbs.
    Divide protein up between each meal. and carbs time them as u need them. fats higher in the meals lowest in carbs.

    No shit foods. Good clean whole unprocessed foods.

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    above 13%----below 20% though

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninesecz View Post
    above 13%----below 20% though
    Excluding looking at his mid section you have to take into account the upper body b/f% and the lack of vascularity. It looks a lot closer to 20%

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    17%ish

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    Quote Originally Posted by A2thej2008 View Post
    ya that pretty bad, we can fix it though, but u have to give us Macro's

    off the top of my head for u id say about 80grams fat 250 grams protein and carbs.
    Divide protein up between each meal. and carbs time them as u need them. fats higher in the meals lowest in carbs.

    No shit foods. Good clean whole unprocessed foods.
    Macros? such as what

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loaded6161 View Post
    Macros? such as what
    I think this is our point on going to the diet section!!!!

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    ight will do thanks again

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    if u need help pm me

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