25yrs old, 5'11, 210lbs@10%, 1st cycle (Test-E, Deca). Would like advise.

**fitfreak6** · 05-26-2009, 09:57 PM

Been training HARD for 4 years now (and trained on and off before that). Been able to achieve many of my goals natty (550 deadlift, 400 bench, 550 squat), but would really like to venture into amature bodybuilding now. Here is my plan as of right now:

Week 1-11: 500mg Test-E (twice a week at 1cc per inject)
Week 1-10: 200mg Deca (twice a week at .5cc per inject)
Week 1-13: 20mg Nolva
Week 13-17: .25mg L-Dex, 100mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva

Does this look reasonable? Any advice would be appreciate as this is my first time through this and want to have all bases covered. Finding the gear is not a problem, but the PCT might be, I know this site is sponsored by AR-R so I was wondering if anyone can give them a nod of approval or not for that type of thing. Also, what gauge pin is recommended for each of these substances? If anyone can think of any extra advice please add it.

Thanks!

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 09:59 PM

stats? ........lol jk

stick with a simple compound just run the test

**jbm** · 05-26-2009, 10:01 PM

first cycle should be test only...
D-bol (it's up to you.)

**fitfreak6** · 05-26-2009, 10:03 PM

Well, not to discount your advice, but saying I was going to run both of them, how does everything look?

**Ryan121** · 05-26-2009, 10:03 PM

run the test e alone. but if you decide the test e and deca ...no nolva in cycle unless you start seeing signs of gyno. use L-dex .25 mg eod on cycle

**fitfreak6** · 05-26-2009, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan121

run the test e alone. but if you decide the test e and deca...no nolva in cycle unless you start seeing signs of gyno. use L-dex .25 mg eod on cycle

So you are saying ditch the nolva during the cycle and if I start seeing gyno then start on .25mg of L-dex every other day while on cycle?

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:06 PM

by sticking to a longer ester and one compound base steroid .. you will know how your bdoy reacts to it.. if you stack it with deca you will not know what is causing the sides... for future cycles and for health.. if you never cycled before than test will give you the best gains possible... thats a intermidiate cycle stick to the test YOU WILL NOT BE LET DOWN.

**fitfreak6** · 05-26-2009, 10:06 PM

Also, why does everyone seem so aganist the test/deca stack? It is even listed on the homepage as a recommended beginner cycle. I am not being a smart ass, just need all the info I can get (done tons of reading, but its nice to have the pro's comment on my individual case).

**illwillogical** · 05-26-2009, 10:07 PM

I would only run the Clomid that at 100mg for the first week, then taper it down like this 100/50/50/25. I would run the Nolva 20mg a day like you stated. Personally I would use Aromasin 25mg a day for four weeks instead of L-dex. L-dex and Nolva are not supposed to work well together, then again I have never tried Ldex. I have done the proposed PCT about and it was successful. There is more than one way to skin a cat though, and what you proposed sounds well planned out.

**illwillogical** · 05-26-2009, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by dville_gt

Also, why does everyone seem so aganist the test/deca stack? It is even listed on the homepage as a recommended beginner cycle. I am not being a smart ass, just need all the info I can get (done tons of reading, but its nice to have the pro's comment on my individual case).

Just so you see how your body reacts. If you run into a problem if you are only taking Test you know the Test is causing the problem. If you run several compounds and you have issues, you can't isolate what exactly is causing the issue.

**jbm** · 05-26-2009, 10:10 PM

This will help you....

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

**DEE151** · 05-26-2009, 10:13 PM

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**LizzardSecond** · 05-26-2009, 10:17 PM

At your age it is risky to use AAS because it may reduce your natural testosterone . I am training with someone 24 who is natural and only 140lb as of 2 years ago and now is 170. His Diet is on point and that is why he is growing. Everyone says they have a good diet but if you look at the diet forum videos you will learn alot of what a real diet is. I am having great gains by adjusting my diet off cycle. Eat a ton of lean clean food.

Now because your not going to listen:
run just test and no Novaldex during you cycle.
I also recommend using strictly your gluteus and use a 21g 1.5in needle. Also dont do the cycle and dont start the cycle unless you have your pct. I can guarantee you that you will loose your gains and possibly more without it. You will shut off your system for 8-10 weeks. You need to add 10,000iu of HCG . Many will tell you its too much and I thought that too but my doctor says 100% it is the amount needed. Do 500iu EOD starting week 14.

And everyone says they have a good source but alot of the AAS on the street is trash.

**LizzardSecond** · 05-26-2009, 10:18 PM

At your age it is risky to use AAS because it may reduce your natural testosterone . I am training with someone 24 who is natural and only 140lb as of 2 years ago and now is 170. His Diet is on point and that is why he is growing. Everyone says they have a good diet but if you look at the diet forum videos you will learn alot of what a real diet is. I am having great gains by adjusting my diet off cycle. Eat a ton of lean clean food.

Now because your not going to listen:
run just test and no Novaldex during you cycle.
I also recommend using strictly your gluteus and use a 21g 1.5in needle. Also dont do the cycle and dont start the cycle unless you have your pct. I can guarantee you that you will loose your gains and possibly more without it. You will shut off your system for 8-10 weeks. You need to add 10,000iu of HCG . Many will tell you its too much and I thought that too but my doctor says 100% it is the amount needed. Do 500iu EOD starting week 14.

And everyone says they have a good source but alot of the AAS on the street is trash.

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:27 PM

good stats, but you can always make them better naturally

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:28 PM

but either way, i think youd be ready to go.... personally id post up my diet/workout on this forum as i would critique both along with other great members

***T-MOS*** · 05-26-2009, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by dville_gt

Also, why does everyone seem so aganist the test/deca stack? It is even listed on the homepage as a recommended beginner cycle. I am not being a smart ass, just need all the info I can get (done tons of reading, but its nice to have the pro's comment on my individual case).

No one is against test/deca , that's a great stack

the thing is, you are the scientist of your body when you start playing with steroids , and your hormone balance and your chemical make up that you are altering forever.

So, the smart scientist, experiments wisely and builds off of knowledge gained.

The smart thing to do is to start with ONE compound so that you can LEARN hwo your body reacts to it, what your body needs with it, and if you have to worry about what sides from it and what to do to handle those sides.

THEN, you build off that knowledge for the next cycle and add a compound like DECA to the mix. Since you will already know what sides you got from Test ONLY, then you will be able to determine what the Deca is doing to you and what you need to use to combat any sides from that as well.

The beginner cycles you saw are outdated. here read this and see if it appeals to the scientist in you that is waiting to come out

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

**Lightsout2184** · 05-26-2009, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by LizzardSecond

At your age it is risky to use AAS because it may reduce your natural testosterone . I am training with someone 24 who is natural and only 140lb as of 2 years ago and now is 170. His Diet is on point and that is why he is growing. Everyone says they have a good diet but if you look at the diet forum videos you will learn alot of what a real diet is. I am having great gains by adjusting my diet off cycle. Eat a ton of lean clean food.

Now because your not going to listen:
run just test and no Novaldex during you cycle.
I also recommend using strictly your gluteus and use a 21g 1.5in needle. Also dont do the cycle and dont start the cycle unless you have your pct. I can guarantee you that you will loose your gains and possibly more without it. You will shut off your system for 8-10 weeks. You need to add 10,000iu of HCG . Many will tell you its too much and I thought that too but my doctor says 100% it is the amount needed. Do 500iu EOD starting week 14.

And everyone says they have a good source but alot of the AAS on the street is trash.

who recommends 21 g dont even compare his stats to ur little friend who just hit 170 thats all im gonna correct. i bet 5 different drs would tell u 5 different numbers

**amateur88** · 05-27-2009, 03:56 AM

i agree with most replys, test only cycle to start with!!! mind you a test/deca cycle is good but not as a first tbh!!!

**RANA** · 05-27-2009, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

by sticking to a longer ester and one compound base steroid.. you will know how your bdoy reacts to it.. if you stack it with deca you will not know what is causing the sides... for future cycles and for health.. if you never cycled before than test will give you the best gains possible... thats a intermidiate cycle stick to the test YOU WILL NOT BE LET DOWN.

Well said!