Milk thistle during/after cycling dbol or just Liv52 after?

**eyeothetiger** · 06-10-2009, 04:47 PM

Yeah guys I heard recently basically that Milk Thistle is useless and it's much better to use Liv 52 after cycling dbol . I am currently on my first injectable cycle and it's as follows, I'm using dbol as a kicker hence my question.

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 40mg/day
Weeks 1-10 Sust 500mg/week

**AllPumpedUp** · 06-10-2009, 05:06 PM

I think Milk Thistle Works Just fine! I have taken 4-5 different brands. Everything from thew Name Brand Thistlin all the way down to Wegans Brand of Thistle never had a liver problem

**catfish** · 06-10-2009, 05:07 PM

Check your pm's...

**Bio-boosted** · 06-10-2009, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by eyeothetiger

Yeah guys I heard recently basically that Milk Thistle is useless and it's much better to use Liv 52 after cycling dbol . I am currently on my first injectable cycle and it's as follows, I'm using dbol as a kicker hence my question.

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 40mg/day
Weeks 1-10 Sust 500mg/day

I'm impressed with the sustanon cycle!! Careful now

**Hunter-S-Thompson** · 06-10-2009, 05:47 PM

i sure hope your not running sust at 500mg/day

**eyeothetiger** · 06-10-2009, 05:57 PM

LOL no it's 500mg/week, typo, bloody hope so!.

**diesel405** · 06-10-2009, 07:56 PM

I no for a fact milk thistle works. I had two bloodtests done and after one month of using mt my levels were normal.

**The Deuce** · 06-10-2009, 08:30 PM

Alright check this ... RUN MILK THISTLE DURING YOUR CYCLE !! and into your PCT... hell run it all year round... there are no scientific studies that back up the fact that MILK THISTLE does anything for you at all but hey.. it's CHEAP and why not.. ya know?? Just in case it does help.. I run it... but definitely definitely DEFINITELY !! Run the LIV-52 FOR 4 WEEKS Upon finishing the ORAL part of ur cycle.. it will help REGENERATE LIVER CELLS !! (That's a good thing in case ya didn't know... lol)

Anyways this is my opinion... you dont have to do what I say.. but it WONT hurt you...

P.S.- ONLY RUN THE LIV-52 AFTER YOU FINISH YOUR ORALS.. NOT DURING !! I REPEAT... NOT DURING !!!

**IM708** · 06-10-2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by eyeothetiger

Yeah guys I heard recently basically that Milk Thistle is useless and it's much better to use Liv 52 after cycling dbol. I am currently on my first injectable cycle and it's as follows, I'm using dbol as a kicker hence my question.

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 40mg/day
Weeks 1-10 Sust 500mg/week

Use it while taking the oral. Well with milk thistle you need to make sure it's in a standardized form or it is useless, also you should be getting about 1g per day of it. Liv.52 and NAC would also work well.

ONLY RUN THE LIV-52 AFTER YOU FINISH YOUR ORALS.. NOT DURING !! I REPEAT... NOT DURING !!!

Why not? Does it interfere in some way or is this based specifically on your speculation?

**M302_Imola** · 06-11-2009, 10:42 AM

^^^I would like to know as well. I know some say it will hinder your gains from the oral but seems to me that smart thing to do would be to take liver supps during and after the oral.

**magic32** · 06-11-2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

Alright check this ... RUN MILK THISTLE DURING YOUR CYCLE !! and into your PCT... hell run it all year round... there are no scientific studies that back up the fact that MILK THISTLE does anything for you at all but hey.. it's CHEAP and why not.. ya know?? Just in case it does help.. I run it... but definitely definitely DEFINITELY !! Run the LIV-52 FOR 4 WEEKS Upon finishing the ORAL part of ur cycle.. it will help REGENERATE LIVER CELLS !! (That's a good thing in case ya didn't know... lol)

Anyways this is my opinion... you dont have to do what I say.. but it WONT hurt you...

P.S.- ONLY RUN THE LIV-52 AFTER YOU FINISH YOUR ORALS.. NOT DURING !! I REPEAT... NOT DURING !!!

Where on earth did you get that stat?
It's certainly not research based!

The preponderance of research on MT is clearly inconclusive. Some studies indicate a gentle cleansing of the liver, which is well aligned with its ages old reputation, while others indicate no benefit. Personally, I've witnessed it on several occasions rapidly (within a 36hr period) eliminate the traditional, tiny, red, toxicant bumps that appear on the forearms of many novice Var-only cycles users, but of course Var is quite mild.

Nevertheless, MT is not supposed be a drug, or toxic pollutant combatant. Liv52 is engineered for this purpose, and should be chosen over MT every time. However, it certainly doesn't hurt to run them concurrently as they approach the problem from different angles.

And why do you so vehemently disapprove of running Liv52 during cycle? There are absolutely no contraindications between it and the properties, side effects or benefits any type of anabolic steroids . So I'm quite interested in hearing the rationale behind your rebuke.

**Immortal Soldier** · 06-11-2009, 02:51 PM

Reason most people take Live52 AFTER their cycle is because Live52 aids in liver regeneration and some think there is no point in taking DURING cycle when the oral is continuing to damage the liver, like building a house during hurricane season, just wait till its over. Both ways work, so its a matter of preference.

IMO the liver is a strong organ, so outside the realm of mulitiple orals at high dosages or methyltren (oral tren ) you don't need to run liver support DURING oral ingestion, but it is recommended, upon cessation however it is recommended to run liver rejuvenation supplements.

Just my 2 cents on the matter

**diesel405** · 06-11-2009, 06:47 PM

Thanks immortal, i didnt no that stuff worked, but i will try it for sure!

**Relax007** · 06-02-2012, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

Alright check this ... RUN MILK THISTLE DURING YOUR CYCLE !! and into your PCT... hell run it all year round... there are no scientific studies that back up the fact that MILK THISTLE does anything for you at all but hey.. it's CHEAP and why not.. ya know?? Just in case it does help.. I run it... but definitely definitely DEFINITELY !! Run the LIV-52 FOR 4 WEEKS Upon finishing the ORAL part of ur cycle.. it will help REGENERATE LIVER CELLS !! (That's a good thing in case ya didn't know... lol)

Anyways this is my opinion... you dont have to do what I say.. but it WONT hurt you...

P.S.- ONLY RUN THE LIV-52 AFTER YOU FINISH YOUR ORALS.. NOT DURING !! I REPEAT... NOT DURING !!!

Why not run Live52 with orals?

**nooby** · 06-02-2012, 05:58 AM

Wouldn't it be smarter to just avoid liver toxic drugs? I just ran dbol and I never will again. Sure it helped jump start my cycle, but there are many more powerful compounds with less toxicity. Seems dumb to even mess with the stuff. Can anyone explain why it's worth messing up your liver?

**kif** · 06-02-2012, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by nooby

Wouldn't it be smarter to just avoid liver toxic drugs? I just ran dbol and I never will again. Sure it helped jump start my cycle, but there are many more powerful compounds with less toxicity. Seems dumb to even mess with the stuff. Can anyone explain why it's worth messing up your liver?

You can say the same thing about running Test, there's always a chance you won't recover properly and be forced to be on TRT for life. It's just the chances we take

**stpete** · 06-02-2012, 07:18 AM

Milk Thistle works just fine for me during and after a cycle and it's backed up from 2 blood tests. 1,050mgs during cycle is what i take. Half that when not on.

**ironbeck** · 06-02-2012, 07:23 AM

A liver specialist MD told me to take NOTHING at all! let your body do its natural cleansing process, taking Anything from oral asprin to ASS puts stress on the liver, what ever goes in your body is processed by the liver. Water and more Water...this is coming from a liver specialist.

**BFM** · 06-02-2012, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by ironbeck

A liver specialist MD told me to take NOTHING at all! let your body do its natural cleansing process, taking Anything from oral asprin to ASS puts stress on the liver, what ever goes in your body is processed by the liver. Water and more Water...this is coming from a liver specialist.

A lot of different 'opinions'... thanks for one by a real doctor.

I urge anyone taking MT to research it...take a look at supplements forum. MT is not what you think it is.

**nooby** · 06-02-2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by kif

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You can say the same thing about running Test, there's always a chance you won't recover properly and be forced to be on TRT for life. It's just the chances we take

Did you really just compare HRT to death? SMH So you can't answer my question then?