went to the ER today!!

**MongooseMcQueen** · 06-11-2009, 01:40 PM

****ing running Parabolin for the first time and it has been hell, cant sleep, horrible headaches and i am miserable!!!!! so i couldnt take it no more today so i went to the ER after i worked out and everything came back normal except they said my heart is slightly enlarged! should i be worry or is it in my head??

**Papa Smurf** · 06-11-2009, 01:48 PM

Enlarged heart??? hmmmmmmmmmm not in your head bro! Time for full blood panel!

**MongooseMcQueen** · 06-11-2009, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Smurf

Enlarged heart??? hmmmmmmmmmm not in your head bro! Time for full blood panel!

THey took blood and said everything else is normal

**Immortal Soldier** · 06-11-2009, 02:47 PM

It is not uncommon for bodybuilders (juiced or clean) to have enlarged hearts. The heart is a muscle, constant exercise will cause it to enlarge.

**MongooseMcQueen** · 06-11-2009, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

It is not uncommon for bodybuilders (juiced or clean) to have enlarged hearts. The heart is a muscle, constant exercise will cause it to enlarge.

should i worry my blood pressure was 152/95 when they took it

**Immortal Soldier** · 06-11-2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by MongooseMcQueen

should i worry my blood pressure was 152/95 when they took it

Im not a doctor, I have no idea what a normal range for your body type would be.

Whenever I have gotten my blood pressure taken wether on cycle, on superdrol or another pro-hormone, or off cycle, it has always been normal and after my last cycle I went to the doctor and I was still on superdrol but cruising with test and she said my bloodpressure was really good. I don't remember the levels though.

Just go to the doctors after this cycle and double check, its is not uncommon for people to have high blood pressure on cycle.

Also is Parabolin another name for Primo?

**MongooseMcQueen** · 06-11-2009, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

Im not a doctor, I have no idea what a normal range for your body type would be.

Whenever I have gotten my blood pressure taken wether on cycle, on superdrol or another pro-hormone, or off cycle, it has always been normal and after my last cycle I went to the doctor and I was still on superdrol but cruising with test and she said my bloodpressure was really good. I don't remember the levels though.

Just go to the doctors after this cycle and double check, its is not uncommon for people to have high blood pressure on cycle.

Also is Parabolin another name for Primo?

Thanks i meant Parabolon QV.

**warchild** · 06-11-2009, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by MongooseMcQueen

should i worry my blood pressure was 152/95 when they took it

no, there are meds for that. how old r u?

**MongooseMcQueen** · 06-11-2009, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by warchild28

no, there are meds for that. how old r u?

i am 29,

**-Ender-** · 06-11-2009, 03:13 PM

Trenbolone

http://www.steroid.com/Parabolan.php

**Immortal Soldier** · 06-11-2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by MongooseMcQueen

Thanks i meant Parabolon QV.

Oh so your taking tren with a longer ester basically.

Explains alot, yeah that stuff isn't in your head, its the side effects of tren (headaches, insomnia, sweating)

**Immortal Soldier** · 06-11-2009, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by -Ender-

Trenbolone Enanthate

http://www.steroid.com/Parabolan.php

It wouldn't be Enathnate because the ester is Hexa.

**warchild** · 06-11-2009, 03:19 PM

its high, but not out of control

**MongooseMcQueen** · 06-11-2009, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

Oh so your taking tren with a longer ester basically.

Explains alot, yeah that stuff isn't in your head, its the side effects of tren (headaches, insomnia, sweating)

i am stacking it with winni tabs, Testcyp 500 a week, Mastorn 300 a week.....the Tren is at 400-500 a week....i feel like HELL, but i look like a BEAST!!

**warchild** · 06-11-2009, 03:20 PM

a perfect bp is 120/80
a systolic can range from 100 plus your age for normal so yours would be 129
a diastolic should be kept under 90

**-Ender-** · 06-11-2009, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

It wouldn't be Enathnate because the ester is Hexa.

Thanks for the correction. post corrected

**jamyjamjr** · 06-11-2009, 03:33 PM

if you have an enlarged heart get offa juice.. i have experience in the medical field...

an enlarged heart can lead to congestive heart failure.. the left ventricle's wall thickens because it's overworked and the use of gear on top of that doesn't make it any better..
as the wall thickens, the flow of blood through your heart gets disrupted and CHF kicks in....

stop your cycle, go see your primary doc for referals to the right physician

**dece870717** · 06-11-2009, 03:36 PM

100mg/ED of Tren gave me a BP of 160/100 and a resting heart rate of 120bpm. I generally felt fine besides my crappy sleep and crappy endurance.

**Immortal Soldier** · 06-11-2009, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by jamyjamjr

if you have an enlarged heart get offa juice.. i have experience in the medical field...

an enlarged heart can lead to congestive heart failure.. the left ventricle's wall thickens because it's overworked and the use of gear on top of that doesn't make it any better..
as the wall thickens, the flow of blood through your heart gets disrupted and CHF kicks in....

stop your cycle, go see your primary doc for referals to the right physician

Dont listen to this man, he is an idiot.

Double your dosage haha

On a serious note jamy, it depends on the causation of enlarged heart, obiviously you know tons more about this then I do so I am not going to try to sound like I am on your level, but if the heart enlargement is because of high endurance training over course of years it is different than if the heart enlarges because of outside forces such as bad diet or being obese.

Alot of high endurance athlethes/footballer players have enlarged hearts, the heart is a muscle after all man.

Now the use of gear in the long run will probably lead to surgery on the left ventricle, I think Arnold and other top bodybuilders have gotten that surgery in the past.

**jamyjamjr** · 06-11-2009, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

Dont listen to this man, he is an idiot.

Double your dosage haha

On a serious note jamy, it depends on the causation of enlarged heart, obiviously you know tons more about this then I do so I am not going to try to sound like I am on your level, but if the heart enlargement is because of high endurance training over course of years it is different than if the heart enlarges because of outside forces such as bad diet or being obese.
agreed
Alot of high endurance athlethes/footballer players have enlarged hearts, the heart is a muscle after all man.
agreed
Now the use of gear in the long run will probably lead to surgery on the left ventricle, I think Arnold and other top bodybuilders have gotten that surgery in the past.

yea, but if the guys already got an issue, why add fuel to the fire?? he has an enlarged heart, gear will only affect him negativly..

**Immortal Soldier** · 06-11-2009, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by jamyjamjr

yea, but if the guys already got an issue, why add fuel to the fire?? he has an enlarged heart, gear will only affect him negativly..

Jamy eventually your heart will probably enlarge too (if hasn't already), are you going to stop using gear as well?

**Hazard** · 06-11-2009, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by warchild28

a perfect bp is 120/80
a systolic can range from 100 plus your age for normal so yours would be 129
a diastolic should be kept under 90

I believe the medical community has now dropped it to 115 or 120 over 70...... i know this because my father has had high bp his whole life..... he's gotten it under control for the most part with his diet and he went for his check up.... came up 120/84 and was happy as a clam..... then the doctor told him they lowered the "normal" range recently LOL..... he was soooo pissed hahaha

Not try to argue..... i'm just better than you

LMAO! j/k

~Haz~