I mean Honestly...

**ektome** · 06-12-2009, 11:54 PM

I am sure I may recieve some flames from this but... I dont want to wait to get everything perfect. I would like to bypass some of the waiting and get a lot bigger faster. Is it really that bad to want a cycle to get bigger and be "that guy" in the GYM? Just asking. IMO, that is the purpose of going on.

**amcon** · 06-12-2009, 11:56 PM

what r ur goals; how much bigger? what are your stats?

**MekeMeke** · 06-12-2009, 11:59 PM

Well dude, roids wont make you that guy in the gym, but it could help. Post up your stats and diet etc, these guys will all be happy to help if roids is really what U need....PZ

**jbm** · 06-13-2009, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by amcon

what r ur goals; how much bigger? what are your stats?

x2..

**Nicotine** · 06-13-2009, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by MekeMeke

Well dude, roids wont make you that guy in the gym, but it could help.

truth

steroids DO work - as long as you know your body, and have your training and diet tuned for you, and you understand what your body needs to grow.

no steroid will make up for lack of proper nutrition or training.

if you have that down pat, then you will see some more gains for your hard work....

if you don't have it down pat - when you go clean - you will most likely lose most, if not all of what you have gained....

if you don't know your body WITHOUT the drugs, then they may not be for you currently....

post up your stats, etc...

**lovbyts** · 06-13-2009, 03:02 AM

Well if you dont want to wait and bypass the safety issues it's up to you. You can be that guy who looks huge but is 50% bloat and the minute he comes off cycle shrinks like a balloon and everyone laughts at him.

You can be that guy who didnt do proper PCT and even though some hot chicks may be all over him he cant do anything about it because his dick doesn't work anymore and may never again.

You might be that guy who didnt want to loose the size so he kept cycling to long and his liver gave out so now he cant work out at all anymore or has all kinds of other health issues.

OR, you can stick around and LEARN what a proper diet is, proper PCT, proper beginner cycle so you know what to look for with problems.

If you stick around and learn the proper way to Diet/Eat, train and cycle you can be that guy for a LONG time and be healthy also.

**bjpennnn** · 06-13-2009, 03:06 AM

i was that guy in the gym. then i had to get 2 gyno surgeries becuase i had no idea what i was doing. so read up dont take short cuts. listen to the vets.

**lovbyts** · 06-13-2009, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

i was that guy in the gym. then i had to get 2 gyno surgeries becuase i had no idea what i was doing. so read up dont take short cuts. listen to the vets.

Thank you for that Input. I hope more people learn/listen.

**ghettoboyd** · 06-13-2009, 03:26 AM

the purpose of going "on" for most is that thay have already learned how to eat and train to grow for many years and have reached a stand still in developement. its after thay have formed a good base of muscle that thay decide to go to "the next level".i would listen to the advise already given in this thread and give it more thought.

**Tigershark** · 06-13-2009, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

i was that guy in the gym. then i had to get 2 gyno surgeries becuase i had no idea what i was doing. so read up dont take short cuts. listen to the vets.

Outstanding post. Thanks for the truthful input.

**ektome** · 06-13-2009, 10:19 AM

KK. Thanks for being honest.
Right now Im at 5'9" 215lbs. 15% ( checked about 12 days ago.) 29yrs.
Been working out for a while. Did the military but is very tough to bulk up in infantry. Diets suck while you are in the field training. No workout. Overall working out to bulk for about 9 months. Before that was doing it for sports and athletics. 9 months ago I was at 245 and 24%( wasnt exact because I didnt take it right at the first week.)
As far as Diet goes. I posted in the Diet forums and Reed and others have helped me alot. Thanks to all of you who did. Videos were good.

My point was more a long the lines of...I have really tried to read and understand this. My brother-inlaw is a member of this site and used it to do his cycles. I was Uber pissed because at 25 I was only 205 Not a lot of muscle just athletic and he was 19 at 210 and achieved what I wanted. He learned from this site and started. Although many ppl advised him to wait for a couple more years.
So my diet "natural" is very clean now. My wife competes in NPC and NANBF as a figure competitor so we keep diets together and stay motivated on Off/low energy days. But my focus now is to educate before my first cycle.

I think I have read and learned alot of what I need. First cycle is pretty simple and thats the best way to keep it. And the PCT is just as important. Will post some more later. Thanks again and By far this is the BEST site I have ever been to. I have searched a lot! Thanks guys.

**MekeMeke** · 06-13-2009, 11:28 AM

Dude, most of us on here don't want you to be putting things in your body that could hurt you if you don't know what you're doing. You seem pretty honest and by the stats I could say you are a very good candidate. Everyone on here will always stress diet, as it is very important. Open up a new thread and post you r stats like this:

age
height
weight
BF
yrs working out
goals

Then put up a beginner cycle you think you may run and we will comment and help you with it. Also, post up a PCT. Do a little reading then post it or if you feel you already done so, then go ahead and post it up....PZ

**JinNtonic** · 06-13-2009, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Well if you dont want to wait and bypass the safety issues it's up to you. You can be that guy who looks huge but is 50% bloat and the minute he comes off cycle shrinks like a balloon and everyone laughts at him.

You can be that guy who didnt do proper PCT and even though some hot chicks may be all over him he cant do anything about it because his dick doesn't work anymore and may never again.

You might be that guy who didnt want to loose the size so he kept cycling to long and his liver gave out so now he cant work out at all anymore or has all kinds of other health issues.

OR, you can stick around and LEARN what a proper diet is, proper PCT, proper beginner cycle so you know what to look for with problems.

If you stick around and learn the proper way to Diet/Eat, train and cycle you can be that guy for a LONG time and be healthy also.

I hate when people make sense!

Its true, I have ordered my Test, but have put it on the back burner because I have realized how much I still need to learn.

**Dancer** · 06-13-2009, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by ektome

KK. Thanks for being honest.
Right now Im at 5'9" 215lbs. 15% ( checked about 12 days ago.) 29yrs.
Been working out for a while. Did the military but is very tough to bulk up in infantry. Diets suck while you are in the field training. No workout. Overall working out to bulk for about 9 months. Before that was doing it for sports and athletics. 9 months ago I was at 245 and 24%( wasnt exact because I didnt take it right at the first week.)
As far as Diet goes. I posted in the Diet forums and Reed and others have helped me alot. Thanks to all of you who did. Videos were good.

My point was more a long the lines of...I have really tried to read and understand this. My brother-inlaw is a member of this site and used it to do his cycles. I was Uber pissed because at 25 I was only 205 Not a lot of muscle just athletic and he was 19 at 210 and achieved what I wanted. He learned from this site and started. Although many ppl advised him to wait for a couple more years.
So my diet "natural" is very clean now. My wife competes in NPC and NANBF as a figure competitor so we keep diets together and stay motivated on Off/low energy days. But my focus now is to educate before my first cycle.

I think I have read and learned alot of what I need. First cycle is pretty simple and thats the best way to keep it. And the PCT is just as important. Will post some more later. Thanks again and By far this is the BEST site I have ever been to. I have searched a lot! Thanks guys.

I am gonna disagree with much of said here.

First, you are old enough

Second, you say military/infantry for years. I may be wrong but you must have been on a conditioning routh that included much cardio and calisthenics.

Third, diet is important but from what I am reading you have been given a lot of help and cleaned up your diet

IMHO you just need to bring your bf% down a bit and I really don't see why you cant cycle.

If you goals are modest (goals do change and should) I think you will be fine.

**skinnykenney** · 06-13-2009, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Well if you dont want to wait and bypass the safety issues it's up to you. You can be that guy who looks huge but is 50% bloat and the minute he comes off cycle shrinks like a balloon and everyone laughts at him.

You can be that guy who didnt do proper PCT and even though some hot chicks may be all over him he cant do anything about it because his dick doesn't work anymore and may never again.

You might be that guy who didnt want to loose the size so he kept cycling to long and his liver gave out so now he cant work out at all anymore or has all kinds of other health issues.

OR, you can stick around and LEARN what a proper diet is, proper PCT, proper beginner cycle so you know what to look for with problems.

If you stick around and learn the proper way to Diet/Eat, train and cycle you can be that guy for a LONG time and be healthy also.

Hmmm.and I was told by a mod that injecting aas totally bypass your liver and have no effect on it.I did research that says diferent and you say diferent.so what is correct?

**Hunter** · 06-13-2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by skinnykenney

Hmmm.and I was told by a mod that injecting aas totally bypass your liver and have no effect on it.I did research that says diferent and you say diferent.so what is correct?

Orals do tax your liver, such as oral tren , oral winny, d-bol, a-bombs, etc. They tax the liver becouse they have been modified to survive the pass through the liver. Also a steroid such as winny which often comes in an injection form commonly is still liver toxic when injected just less so then its oral counterpart.

**mgern527** · 06-13-2009, 01:04 PM

Go for it man. And thanks for your service. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE

**ektome** · 06-13-2009, 02:12 PM

Well after a lot of reading and talking with some ppl who have cycled 3 times or more. ( and that I value their opinion) for my current size and B.F. I have come up with a beginner cycle. Pretty basic and I have read others that have used it with good results.

Test-e 500mg wk x 12 weeks
* 2 shots a week at 250 mg. Bro suggested a monday, thursday shot. Gonna go with that.

D-bol 40 mg ED x 5 weeks
twice a day at 20 mg a piece
once before workout after first meal. and then once in mid afternoon. This is due to the half life and to keep a steady stream instead of ups and downs.

PCT would be basic again.
6 wks 20 mg Nolva ED.
4 wks Vtmn E 1000 iu/day

There are some other plants and roots my family has used in the past to help kidney's so gonn do some research into that to incorporate into my diet after cycle.
In all honesty I was a little hesitant about taking an oral for my first time but the alternative was test-p at 50 mg daily, and I just did not want to pin myself that many times the first run out of the gate.

* yea, I had crazy cardio skills I could run and endure a large amount of discomfort from Hiking with full combat loads in my ruck sack. I was a mortar monkey so we had some heavy stuff. I left for Iraq and weighed 205 came back at a whoping 178. I was cut as hell.
** wanted to ask opinions on good female members for Diet. Nothing illicit just good clean OTC supps and good food. My wife is signing up to get some opinions on her contest diets and try to find some others out there to get some advice from.

Thanks again to all who have posted. Cant wait for the feed back.

**ektome** · 06-13-2009, 02:30 PM

Sorry, one last thing. If I have got this right, since I am running Enan. I should start my PCT 2weeks after my last poke? Also can I start running vtmn E right away or should I wait till the Nolvadex ?

**sizerp** · 06-13-2009, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by ektome

Sorry, one last thing. If I have got this right, since I am running Enan. I should start my PCT 2weeks after my last poke? Also can I start running vtmn E right away or should I wait till the Nolvadex?

Yeah start PCT 2 weeks after last injetion of Test Enanth.

Week 1-18
Multi-Vit + Vit C. @ 1g ed (morning)

Week 1-12
Test Enanth. @ 500mg pw
A-dex @ .25mg ed

Week 1-5
Dballs @ 40mg ed
Creatine Supp. Pre-WO

Week 11-12
Nolvadex @ 40mg ed
HCG @ 250I.U. twice pw
1000I.U. Vit. E ed

Week 13-14
Nolvadex @ 40mg ed
HCG @ 500I.U. twice pw
1000I.U. Vit. E ed

Week 15-16
Nolvadex @ 20mg ed
Clomid @ 50-100mg ed

Week 17-18
Nolvadex @ 20mg ed
Clomid @ 50-60mg ed

Keep Trib or another labido enhancer on hand throughout cycle and PCT in case Mr. Winky decides to be uncooperative.

You could also front-load your test.

This is all just IMO -

**MattUK666** · 06-13-2009, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Well if you dont want to wait and bypass the safety issues it's up to you. You can be that guy who looks huge but is 50% bloat and the minute he comes off cycle shrinks like a balloon and everyone laughts at him.

You can be that guy who didnt do proper PCT and even though some hot chicks may be all over him he cant do anything about it because his dick doesn't work anymore and may never again.

You might be that guy who didnt want to loose the size so he kept cycling to long and his liver gave out so now he cant work out at all anymore or has all kinds of other health issues.

OR, you can stick around and LEARN what a proper diet is, proper PCT, proper beginner cycle so you know what to look for with problems.

If you stick around and learn the proper way to Diet/Eat, train and cycle you can be that guy for a LONG time and be healthy also.

Brilliant post.

Spot on.

**Big** · 06-13-2009, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by skinnykenney

Hmmm.and I was told by a mod that injecting aas totally bypass your liver and have no effect on it.I did research that says diferent and you say diferent.so what is correct?

actually I told you that andriol was an oral that bypassed the first pass through the liver, and several of us rejected your theory that you have a super-liver that is very different than everyone else.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=360507