dont u just wish u never had to come off

**dd0316** · 06-16-2009, 10:34 PM

if i could i would probably never come off juice, the idea that you are on makes you want to work so much harder and eat so much more....

i already have a solid base and diet...figured that stuff out..but now that im on.. i wanna be the fvcking hulk

haha..if only i didnt hvae to worry about a sex drive and my testicles...that would be the day

***T-MOS*** · 06-16-2009, 10:36 PM

Well, with TRT/HRT, you never have to come off........BBBAAAHHHHWWWWAAAAAAA

**VWbug66** · 06-16-2009, 11:04 PM

this is where I think about health, and length of life....its hard to find research, but do TRT patients, not normal ones, ones that cruise and blast:

do they live as long as 90 yrs plus? as long as your not a big drinker or smoker? Ive tried to research this and not to much info came up- hard topic to research....input yall!!

**johnnybigguns** · 06-16-2009, 11:10 PM

Thats why some of use just never come off lol

**VWbug66** · 06-16-2009, 11:24 PM

lol ya I understand that, but how long you wanting to live? I run 2 cycles a yr...but you always see a wrestler who's a big time juicer dying at age 35-40.

So that has to has some kind of affect on us as well right? depending on usage ofcourse, but what kind of effect on life expectancy does a typical TRT user who cruises and blast have to live?

***T-MOS*** · 06-16-2009, 11:30 PM

I don't see TRT users being any less healthy than anyone else.

TRT doses are NOT that high, and if prescribed, then you get bloodwork done every 3-6 months so you are monitored well

but of coarse some of us run full cycles in between the TRT....I am 44 by the way, so I guess I outlived most wrestlers.....lol

**johnnybigguns** · 06-16-2009, 11:32 PM

Plus wrestlers are most likely on so many other drugs pain killers and what not.
And I bet on very high doses of AS

**pnm** · 06-17-2009, 12:02 AM

Pro wrestlers must be dying from something else because pro bodybuilders arent dying like them and i would think bodybuilders take more AAS than wrestlers, i mean if you compare the looks and size of both but i might be wrong.

**illwillogical** · 06-17-2009, 12:05 AM

I think wrestler's are probably more careless and uneducated with their steroid use .

**Tigershark** · 06-17-2009, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by illwillogical

I think wrestler's are probably more careless and uneducated with their steroid use.

That and the recreational drug use in pro wrestling as well. Quite a few do coke or crack to keep up with all the shows and travelling they need to do. Personally I never understood that but some of these guys like Jake Roberts and Lex Lugar look like hell now a days.

**Nicotine** · 06-17-2009, 01:00 AM

as much as you dont wanna come off..... you do need to remember, as much as it's about vanity - you have to take your health in consideration also. short and long term....

all depends on goals too.

**SilverTest** · 06-17-2009, 07:53 AM

i dont wish , i do it haha

i dont think its a bad idea considering many things .

i took this decision for A LOT of reason , reasons not limited to building up a perfect body.

**CHAP** · 06-17-2009, 08:00 AM

I dont come off . People do all kinds of things and out live those who never did anything. Plus I dont want to live past the years where you can actually take care of yourself.

After working in health care and taking care of people I had to feed change briefs ect. I had to wonder do I really want to make it that far.

**Misery13** · 06-17-2009, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by illwillogical

I think wrestler's are probably more careless and uneducated with their steroid use.

I agree for the most part I'm sure there not totally uneducated when it comes to juicing but yes they probally abuse it and other drugs as well...

**Misery13** · 06-17-2009, 08:03 AM

oh what does TRT mean?...please and thank you...

**CHAP** · 06-17-2009, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Misery13

oh what does TRT mean?...please and thank you...

testosterone replacment therapy

**Misery13** · 06-17-2009, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by CHAP

testosterone replacment therapy

cool thank you so much...

**CHAP** · 06-17-2009, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Misery13

cool thank you so much...

I am so confused

**The Deuce** · 06-17-2009, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by VWbug66

lol ya I understand that, but how long you wanting to live? I run 2 cycles a yr...but you always see a wrestler who's a big time juicer dying at age 35-40.

So that has to has some kind of affect on us as well right? depending on usage ofcourse, but what kind of effect on life expectancy does a typical TRT user who cruises and blast have to live?

WRESTLERS, AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE POINTED OUT, DABBLE IN OTHER THINGS.. Mainly Painkillers because they put their bodies through so much torture... as it is "PRO-WRESTLING" is as fake as it gets but still picking someone up.. and dropping them onto the canvas does hurt... t hey just know how to break their fall.. and how to land appropriately so they minimize the pain...

Originally Posted by T-MOS

I don't see TRT users being any less healthy than anyone else.

TRT doses are NOT that high, and if prescribed, then you get bloodwork done every 3-6 months so you are monitored well

but of coarse some of us run full cycles in between the TRT....I am 44 by the way, so I guess I outlived most wrestlers.....lol

Yah i agree with you fully T-mos.. I am on TRT and I am PERFECTLY HEALTHY... i have cycled many a times and plan to for pretty much the majority of my life.. cruising and blasting.. but I am going to be smart about it... YOU have to be, it would be a different story if I had no one.. but I have 3 daughters and a wife so obviously I take that into consideration when I am using potentially harmful compounds...

Originally Posted by Tigershark

That and the recreational drug use in pro wrestling as well. Quite a few do coke or crack to keep up with all the shows and travelling they need to do. Personally I never understood that but some of these guys like Jake Roberts and Lex Lugar look like hell now a days.

Amen to that.. THEY LOOK HORRIBLE !! Hell even Chris Benoit looked like shit when he did his escapade...

Originally Posted by illwillogical

I think wrestler's are probably more careless and uneducated with their steroid use.

NOT TRUE AT ALL !! They hire nutritionists and doctors to handle their own AAS use.. most of them get prescribed... to both HGH and Testosterone Supplementation so what they do isn't illegal.. but then they take it to the extreme and go above and beyond their recommended dosing.. I.E.- Batista.. lol...

Originally Posted by Nicotine

as much as you dont wanna come off..... you do need to remember, as much as it's about vanity - you have to take your health in consideration also. short and long term....

all depends on goals too.

It's perfectly SAFE to CRUISE and BLAST .. if you know what you are doing IMHO !!! It's the people that do Test E 2500mgs EW for 24 weeks and anadrol 200mgs ED for 8 weeks and Dbol 100mgs ED for 12 weeks as a cycle.. then as their cruise they do 1000mgs EW of the Enan... THAT IS STUPID AND UNSAFE !!!!! IMO of course

Originally Posted by SilverTest

i dont wish , i do it haha

i dont think its a bad idea considering many things .

i took this decision for A LOT of reason , reasons not limited to building up a perfect body.

EXACTLY... I second this.. I dont wish.. I DO !!

IT ISN'T A BAD IDEA IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND WHAT THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES COULD BE IF DONE WRONGLY..

Just how this "GAME" works.... what a lot pf people dont understand is that this isn't just about AAS... it's a LIFESTYLE.. that is solely wrapped around [DIET] ... if you dont have the correct diet than no amount of AAS will make you grow muscular tissue. Plus next is TRAINING... if you don't know how to train well then.. you aren't going to grow either... LASTLY is SUPPLEMENTATION and that's where AAS come into play...

I think it's Jamy that says 80%Diet, 15% Training, 5% Supplementation.... That is such a TRUE statement !! The truest of the true !!!

Originally Posted by CHAP

I am so confused

Lol ... what are you confuddled about broesph???

**Dukkit** · 06-17-2009, 09:58 AM

coming off gear? what does that even mean?

**HIITB$** · 06-17-2009, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

It's perfectly SAFE to CRUISE and BLAST .. if you know what you are doing IMHO !!! It's the people that do Test E 2500mgs EW for 24 weeks and anadrol 200mgs ED for 8 weeks and Dbol 100mgs ED for 12 weeks as a cycle.. then as their cruise they do 1000mgs EW of the Enan... THAT IS STUPID AND UNSAFE !!!!! IMO of course

So what is the safe way to do it?

**MACKATTACK** · 06-17-2009, 11:18 AM

It's in God's hands.......not ours......

**HIITB$** · 06-17-2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by MACKATTACK

It's in God's hands.......not ours......

made me lmfao...and i love your AVI just thought id say thank you for the pic this early in the morning

**chuckt12345** · 06-17-2009, 11:26 AM

no i like taking breaks from this shite.

**SilverTest** · 06-17-2009, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by HIITB$

So what is the safe way to do it?

safe way ...ok

take me for example.

i cruise on 250 mg per week of legit pharma testoviron .

when i blast , i only do 500 mg of test per week , never more really.

the other compounds i would use are primo winstrol , primo if i wanna bulk , and winstrol if i'm cutting.

rarely , i use orals like a low dose dbol and drol.

i hate 19 nors so i never use them.

and i plan to get blood work every 6 months.

now THAT , is safe my friend, and very sane to do.

the INSANE is doing 3 grams of test per week blasting with exotic sounding shit that you cant count , and cruising on 2 grams of test and other things on your errr..."cruise". not getting blood work , not knowing your body , going to extreme on things and overdosing constantly ..... that is not really safe and very unecessary.

**warchild** · 06-17-2009, 11:49 AM

why come off?

**audis4** · 06-17-2009, 12:21 PM

^^good question!

**Dukkit** · 06-17-2009, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by warchild28

why come off?

a man after my own heart

lol

**chuckt12345** · 06-17-2009, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by warchild28

why come off?

thats what the alchy said about drinking

**SilverTest** · 06-17-2009, 12:34 PM

for me , IMO , there is no inherent need to come off

but be carefull , i am not saying that pct and coming off is bad .

it all boils down to personal choice and goals , i have researched this a lot before i did it,

and i came to be comfortable with the decision that i made .

cruise and blast kind of guarantees a continous progress .

traditional cycling methods dont guarantee that , a lot of things can happen when you

come off , for example one time you recover fast , another time you dont and take too

long , loose the mass and strength , become depressed and feel like total shit for several

months , have problems at work , socially etc........ all that bro , been there.

cruise and blast is guaranteed to keep you on a steady plane mentally and physically

and has no ill effects if you do it right , use in moderation and you wont have problems.

But as i said , i actually love to stay on test for many things in life , MANY , not just

for bodybuilding. Its my secret edge over others bro in everything

just choose one way or the other based on what you are comfortable doing , both methods work.

**chuckt12345** · 06-17-2009, 12:41 PM

How old are you silver? You plan on running the rest of your life

**SilverTest** · 06-17-2009, 01:16 PM

well , chuck my friend , i am SURE i will be running TRT when i hit 30 , it greatly improves the quality of life .

for now , to be frank with you , i've been on for 6 months , and i am doing pct right now as we speak , i am doing this just to see if it really does take longer to recover.

i started my pct from about a week , shot 2 1500 iu's HCG , and taking clomid at 25 mg a day ONLY. nothing else .

my ballls are hard and rolling again , i am energetic , and i feel great even after being on for that long, after this pct , its cruise and blast time .

and to answer your question , i think you meant to ask me if i am worrying about being shutdown for life , no i am not actually , i searched all over and not one person actually got shutdown forever unless he was very old or had low test which eventually catched up to him. and if it happens , i also took that in consideration mind you , i really dont care at all . steroids and bodybuilding are part of my life.

by the way , i am 24.

**HIITB$** · 06-17-2009, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by SilverTest

safe way ...ok

take me for example.

i cruise on 250 mg per week of legit pharma testoviron .

when i blast , i only do 500 mg of test per week , never more really.

the other compounds i would use are primo winstrol , primo if i wanna bulk , and winstrol if i'm cutting.

rarely , i use orals like a low dose dbol and drol.

i hate 19 nors so i never use them.

and i plan to get blood work every 6 months.

now THAT , is safe my friend, and very sane to do.

the INSANE is doing 3 grams of test per week blasting with exotic sounding shit that you cant count , and cruising on 2 grams of test and other things on your errr..."cruise". not getting blood work , not knowing your body , going to extreme on things and overdosing constantly ..... that is not really safe and very unecessary.

gotcha thanx for sharing broheim

So what all are you monitoring and looking for when you get your blood panels done?

**VWbug66** · 06-17-2009, 05:04 PM

silver, I am 23 and about 6 months ago I ran test for 6 months and deca for 4 months. I only used nolva and clomid for pct. I recovered just fine, no problems at all, no depression, nada.

The recovery thing, I believe, depends on each person.

the whole life expectancy deal is just a thought that comes in my head from time to time. i Juice safe...but the thought pops in my head from time to time

**strength_addict14** · 06-17-2009, 09:01 PM

Louie Simmons is an oldster... he seems ok to me. Plus he is an animal.

**dd0316** · 06-17-2009, 10:44 PM

i think u also have to consider the costs
is trt usually covered under extended medical in canada?

**dd0316** · 06-17-2009, 10:48 PM

jesus christ!! Say hello to traps! Wtf!!!!!!

**big_ron** · 06-17-2009, 10:53 PM

i just worry about not being able to have kids because i am fairly young (20) and having kids as far as i know means alot to me....

**Navy-boi-kai** · 06-17-2009, 10:54 PM

i think its all on the person and the ability to handle when they come off. Some people are just more healthy naturally than other. But test has been related to cancer and tumors of many ex gear users. But really i believe that u havr to recover at sumtime or another to let ur body have clean receptors again. Kinda of a cleanse. We all need it a time or another.

**SilverTest** · 06-17-2009, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by HIITB$

gotcha thanx for sharing broheim

So what all are you monitoring and looking for when you get your blood panels done?

well , a complete blood panel , you know the usual stuff , RBC , lipids , glucose levels , stuff like that . the regular kind of blood work , plus panel for kidneys and liver enzymes just as a precaution , i dont believe they get damaged through moderate use at all , but i am just doing it for my health overall.

i've never had side effects to speak off except for low test for a very short period of time with the typical symptoms , which i have learned to suck it up and push through.

as for life span , let me tell you a story , there is a 60 year old man in the gym where i train , when i saw him i was amazed at his strength and energy , all young guys where training with him and he out-energized them , he is vital and full of energy . I thought what the hell ? this guy is amazing. well turned out he is on test all the time . You think this guy will live shorter than normal persons , haha no way bro , i believe he will actually live longer and MUCH MUCH HAPPIER.