Any new members ..especially 18 to 21 year olds please watch this

**Free Will** · 06-22-2009, 11:38 PM

Ok so ill prob get told this is in the wrong section but this is where every young new guy comes to ask ...im 18 and i cant put on weight , what steroids should i use ??....NONE , here is what you can do if you are dedicated to weight training and building your body up ...this guy is 18 and is a perfect example of what you can do naturally ....IMO if your 18 to 22 you shouldnt be using steroids , this guy didnt ...check out this vid and enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icBKzLBS96k

**Free Will** · 06-22-2009, 11:44 PM

oh and if you do watch this please watch to the end ...its what good food and hard training can do for you....thats 12 months of training

**lovbyts** · 06-22-2009, 11:44 PM

VERY nice job. Ohhh to be 18-25 again

NICE legs also. I think he is lacking just a little in biceps but everything else looks great.

**Free Will** · 06-22-2009, 11:50 PM

yea i noticed between may and august his bis got a little bigger but yea if he were to work them a bit more that is one awsome job ,i just hope alot of young new members see this

**G4R** · 06-22-2009, 11:52 PM

Good thread.

Every now and then someone will throw up a thread kinda like this, or try to reiterate the point that the stickies are up there for a reason. It's just too bad that these threads eventually get shuffled down the list to never be seen again.

**Free Will** · 06-23-2009, 12:00 AM

well i guess im gonna have to keep putting them up here ...there are plenty of clips like this on youtube and i like the idea of people training hard and getting to there max before they touch steroids ....if people keep posting on this thread hopefully it should stay here for a while

**bjpennnn** · 06-23-2009, 12:08 AM

he looked realy good by the end of that

**seriousmass** · 06-23-2009, 12:21 AM

Genetics of a god.

**Free Will** · 06-23-2009, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

Genetics of a god.

yes true but genetics alone didnt get him there ...hard training and dedication did

**seriousmass** · 06-23-2009, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Free Will

yes true but genetics alone didnt get him there ...hard training and dedication did

15% diet / training
85% genetics

The transformation that occurred there is literally a miracle. probably like 0.05% of people can actually manipulate their body to grow like that.

Most people will struggle to lose, or gain, 10 pounds over the course of years. Whereas, that kid gained 20 - 30 pounds of lean muscle mass in a matter of months. Incredible, but also incredibly rare. IMO, that video was more a testament of his superb genetics, then to his "hard training and dedication."

**Free Will** · 06-23-2009, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

15% diet / training
85% genetics

The transformation that occurred there is literally a miracle. probably like 0.05% of people can actually manipulate their body to grow like that.

Most people will struggle to lose, or gain, 10 pounds over the course of years. Whereas, that kid gained 20 - 30 pounds of lean muscle mass in a matter of months. Incredible, but also incredibly rare. IMO, that video was more a testament of his superb genetics, then to his "hard training and dedication."

lol...damnit seriousmass i was trying to make a point to the young ones and give them hope that this is achievable , and that they dont need roids while there still growing ....but i hope it gives them some inspiration

**ninesecz** · 06-23-2009, 01:44 AM

I would almost have to think he wants people to think he is natty but us throwing something in there! lot of gains in the 7months between March and October. I have seen people get in great shape in that amount of time but he put a lot of size and definition on at the same time especially in his legs. anyone came make a video and say they are natural! Hell I tell people i am 100% natty all the time just because I know it pisses them off and amkes then think what the F***

**Navy-boi-kai** · 06-23-2009, 01:49 AM

i thinks it genitcs or supps of some kind

**jbm** · 06-23-2009, 02:24 AM

It's a miracle!!!!! lolol....

nice transformation. I hope I'll be 10 years younger again!

**Sauced_Up** · 06-23-2009, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by ninesecz

I would almost have to think he wants people to think he is natty but us throwing something in there! lot of gains in the 7months between March and October. I have seen people get in great shape in that amount of time but he put a lot of size and definition on at the same time especially in his legs. anyone came make a video and say they are natural! Hell I tell people i am 100% natty all the time just because I know it pisses them off and amkes then think what the F***

I was thinking the same thing. Its youtube, there doesnt have to be any truth to it. For all we know he could have done several DS or other AAS.

OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN ALL THE MUSCLETECH HE USED

**slugtastic** · 06-23-2009, 09:05 AM

wow... if thats natty that is amazing!!!! good post.....

**ninesecz** · 06-23-2009, 11:30 AM

Does anyone Rember the Poster bo for Cybergenics Franco Santoriello?? He was all over the Mags with these before and after ictures that showed these incredible gains over a 6 month length of time using a great diet and the Cybergenics system. It was all BS!! they found out he had been on a Massive Steroids for a total of 2 years and thats how they got the before and after pics! and as I recall have not seen a Cybergenics kit in quite a few years!

**slovak** · 06-23-2009, 11:53 AM

If THAT is "NATURAL" ..... I am Santa Claus

**stack_it** · 06-23-2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by slovak

If THAT is "NATURAL" ..... I am Santa Claus

here's my list of gifts I want for Christmas Santa

100iu's of hgh
25ml test e
And a hot blonde with fake breasts

This seems to have turned into a thread promoting use at a young age

**diesel405** · 06-23-2009, 12:58 PM

im all natural......

**TractionIssues** · 06-23-2009, 02:10 PM

Sadly I don't think that's natty. Look at the before pic, and the last pics, not only did he bulk at the same time as cut, but you can also tell that he did not build much new muscle, it's mostly his existing muscle fiber that grew bigger, which is main effect of steroids .

Not saying it would be impossible to do what he did at his age if one were to train and diet exceptionally well, but in his case it does not seem to be the case...

**alpmaster** · 06-23-2009, 02:11 PM

Good for him.

**TractionIssues** · 06-23-2009, 02:22 PM

Youtube is full of fakes, this guy too thinks he can fool people just because he titled his video natural bodybuilding, hoping people will believe him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1dt6...eature=related

In natural bodybuilders, you will see they will have built alot of muscle fibers over a long period of time to gain size, although the size of the muscle fibers can only be so big when not using steroids . When you see people with pecs for example that have rips and curves in them, being able to see each individual muscle fiber being huge and thick, it's not natural. Look at how the fiber size is so much bigger on someone who juices compared to someone who doesnt.

http://www.powerstar.de/gallery/prof...sp_sc_0002.jpg

http://images-cdn01.associatedconten...300_358492.jpg

**Sauced_Up** · 06-23-2009, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by stack_it

here's my list of gifts I want for Christmas Santa

100iu's of hgh
25ml test e
And a hot blonde with fake breasts

This seems to have turned into a thread promoting use at a young age

Santa make 2 orders of this!!!!
I want one of them!!!!

**Necrosaro** · 06-23-2009, 03:05 PM

Ya I call bs unless you knew the guy personally.

**Twist** · 06-23-2009, 03:06 PM

I don't think natural at all. I think it is possible, however highly unlikely. either way he has great genetics and I would credit that even more than steroids . he doesn't even look 18. he looks like 24. at 18 I looked like a 12 year old. no amount of steroids diet or exercise could have changed that.