equipoise solo

[TRT,MAN]

here comes world war 3!!!!!

[spooledup]

I like EQ solo

[Phate]

Who are you to judge bro?

Let's here your appropriate age for doing AAS?

Just because you can't drink until you're 21 does not mean whatsoever, that your body isn't ready for AAS intake / post-cycle recovery.

i just said i'm keeping an open mind, i'm not judging at all, if i remember correctly you were the one that said, "You obviously shouldn't be handing out AAS advice.You don't have a clue what you're talking about."

from that i would say you are more judging than i am

appropriate age for AAS, i would say that would depend on a number of things, genetic potential(which you won't reach before 23-24 with very few exceptions), epiphyseal test(to determine if growth plates have closed, which normally doesn't happen until mid 20's), mental maturity(which you haven't even reached yet, or at least your previous posts in several other threads would suggest you haven't), etc....

so, now your turn, what do you think is an appropriate age and why?

[randym2690]

why? we learned in school that 30-40 mins of low intesity cardio is more of a myth high intensity not only builds more cardiovasular benifits but has been shown through studys to change the matabolic rate for up to 48 hours after the carido

[Phate]

why? we learned in school that 30-40 mins of low intesity cardio is more of a myth high intensity not only builds more cardiovasular benifits but has been shown through studys to change the matabolic rate for up to 48 hours after the carido

10 minutes of intervals won't raise metabolism that much, 20-25minutes of HIIT will, and low intensity cardio burns a higher % of fat due to being primarily done in an oxygen saturated environment which allows for more efficient fat burning

granted that intervals will also help you drop bf% but not only performing 10 minutes of them

as far as what you said about fireguy, his avatar picture is him, he competed natural for several years and has done hundreds of body composition tests if not thousands, he knows his stuff bro

[randym2690]

welll the only time i take in huge amount of carbs is breakfast and post workout and i take in about 90 in the am to get that inital boost in energy and i dont crash so i dont really have a problem with it to be honest if it was more simple sugars id take you point but whole wheat hits kinda slow on the gi index not to mention the high content of fiber which further lowers that

[randym2690]

im not fighting anyones experience and paise to him like great hes obv done great at figureing his body out but to try and do the same with no knowlege of me besides a few pics and a one days diet is kinda crazy and my teacher paul prather has also told me about my body comp and hes got years and years of experince ran his own franchise, worked with univeristy of florida as a strength and training coach as long as the tampa bay bucks and the raptors so he knows his shit also

[Phate]

welll the only time i take in huge amount of carbs is breakfast and post workout and i take in about 90 in the am to get that inital boost in energy and i dont crash so i dont really have a problem with it to be honest if it was more simple sugars id take you point but whole wheat hits kinda slow on the gi index not to mention the high content of fiber which further lowers that

and the fat slows it even further, the problem is that you are taking in huge amounts of carbs which aren't needed, you would function just as well with 2/3 as many carbs in each of your meals

either way, it's your body

[FireGuy]

im not fighting anyones experience and paise to him like great hes obv done great at figureing his body out but to try and do the same with no knowlege of me besides a few pics and a one days diet is kinda crazy and my teacher paul prather has also told me about my body comp and hes got years and years of experince ran his own franchise, worked with univeristy of florida as a strength and training coach as long as the tampa bay bucks and the raptors so he knows his shit also

I am glad you have someone to work with. Understand, I by no means was trying to figure you out or steer you in a completely different direction. I was just giving you some VERY BASIC guidelines on what I see on your physique, diet and cardio plan.

[randym2690]

no i understand it was just an opinion and i have no problems with you advice its worked for you as your picture shows its just when someone says something and 2 or 3 other people try to tell me im wrong because i have different point of views and jump to shoot other concepts down its just frustrating.

[T-MOS]

Who are you to judge bro?

Let's here your appropriate age for doing AAS?

Just because you can't drink until you're 21 does not mean whatsoever, that your body isn't ready for AAS intake / post-cycle recovery.

all I hear is crap coming from you. I am still waiting for PROOF that this will do NO harm to his endocrine system or growth plates.

You back up your statements and I will be happy to listen....until then....just saying that he will be fine isn't convincing....

and I am NOT the one that got you suspended, YOU ARE...so cry me a river

and YES I have run EQ two different times and did NOT care for it at all

[spooledup]

At 21 you should still have high levels of GH and test. I would try dieting and training to achieve your goals. You alreay have good size, just cut it up.

If you do decide to use EQ, I would break the shots up at twice a week. EQ may be mild as far as mass building, but it can do a number on your blood pressure. Definitely want stable blood levels, a big spike can't be good for the BP and heart.

[randym2690]

yeah im ganna try an cut up a bit its just the harder part in fitness for me but im working

[Big]

keep us posted as you go, everyone is different it's just a matter of finding what works best for you.

[randym2690]

yeah thanks big ill keep a loose log im not expecting huge gains 6-10 pounds would be great mabye some assistance in cut mild sides i just wanna ease my way into th aas world and if its not great then i guess ill count my loses and learn

[Phate]

yeah thanks big ill keep a loose log im not expecting huge gains 6-10 pounds would be great mabye some assistance in cut mild sides i just wanna ease my way into th aas world and if its not great then i guess ill count my loses and learn

good luck and great gains bro, keep us updated

[alpmaster]

why? we learned in school that 30-40 mins of low intesity cardio is more of a myth high intensity not only builds more cardiovasular benifits but has been shown through studys to change the matabolic rate for up to 48 hours after the carido

Are you talking about EPOC? No cardio will ever reach an EPOC of 48 hours, only weight lifting can do that. EPOC for cardio is only 20-40 mintues, 1 hour max. And yes, higher intensity will burn more calories, but lower intensity will have a higher rate of fat oxidation rather than glycogen and amino acids.

[TractionIssues]

IMO, why bother suppressing your natty test, esspecially at 21, just to use something as weak as EQ? I really don't see the sense in that...

[randym2690]

http://www.tnafitness.com/fat_loss/m...s-to-get-lean/
"
After an intense weight training session (or high intensity interval training session), your metabolism will stay elevated for up to 39 hours AFTER the workout!"


http://www.columbussports.com/conten...training.shtml
right in the first paragraph

ill try and get some legit studies if thats not enough.

[randym2690]

IMO, why bother suppressing your natty test, esspecially at 21, just to use something as weak as EQ? I really don't see the sense in that...

well wouldent any kind of steroid surpress your nat test? and massive weight gains an big sides isent what im shooting for. steroids are tools ones not better then the other one its how you use them and make them work for you? if one was the best then why would there be such a aray of stacks and solos and types of steroids

[Big]

well wouldent any kind of steroid surpress your nat test? and massive weight gains an big sides isent what im shooting for. steroids are tools ones not better then the other one its how you use them and make them work for you? if one was the best then why would there be such a aray of stacks and solos and types of steroids

most feel that the male body feels and is at it's best when testosterone is present. it's what makes us men. talk to almost any middle aged man who got on trt after having low test, and pretty much all will tell you what an amazing difference it is to have proper test levels. an overall feeling of well-being, better sex drive, energy, etc. what you propose is in efect doing the opposite. I don't particularly care for EQ, and yes some like it without test, but most I've known who have tried it each way were MUCH more satisfied if at least a trt dose of test was included to compensate for the natural test that is suppressed.

[randym2690]

alright thanks for clearing that up with me if i can find some ill try and add a low dose to the mix idk if i will be able to tho

[alpmaster]

http://www.tnafitness.com/fat_loss/m...s-to-get-lean/
"
After an intense weight training session (or high intensity interval training session), your metabolism will stay elevated for up to 39 hours AFTER the workout!"


http://www.columbussports.com/conten...training.shtml
right in the first paragraph

ill try and get some legit studies if thats not enough.

It's only for anaerobic activities. It's in all NCSA and ASCM textbooks, as well as any exercise science texts as well. Please pull up studies from legitimate sources for your claim (not he-said she-said google links).

[randym2690]

had to make it hard for me...i looked in my NCSA book and couldent find anything that proved eaither of our ideas but here you go

http://etd-submit.etsu.edu/etd/these...d/king0417.pdf

[randym2690]

It terms of exercise as a means of weight control, it appears evident that high intensity
interval training may produce a change in fat weight and body composition not found in low
intensity interval training, especially when a longer training period is used. It is unlikely that
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most exercise participants, especially beginners, will be able to sustain a high intensity over a
long duration; therefore, interval training is recommended because it will allow the participant to
rest between high intensity intervals. This type of exercise will need to be done at least every
other day in order to maintain an elevated RMR. The addition of caloric restriction appears to be
necessary in order to decrease total body weight in addition to fat weight. The addition of
resistance training may also help increase fat loss along with increased fat free weight


just for those who dont wanna read the whole study

[randym2690]

and im pretty sure that glycogen has to be burnt up reguardless of cardio to hit fat oxidation so odds are if your running a workout then hit glycogen will already be burnt through plus amino acids have only been shown to burn on areobic activity over 90 mins where protien is used for energy source for lack of glycogen

[Phate]

and im pretty sure that glycogen has to be burnt up reguardless of cardio to hit fat oxidation so odds are if your running a workout then hit glycogen will already be burnt through plus amino acids have only been shown to burn on areobic activity over 90 mins where protien is used for energy source for lack of glycogen

glycogen doesn't have to be used first before fat, well not exactly at least, glycogen is used for anaerobic activity(HIIT, weight training etc...), fat is used during aerobic(because burning fat requires oxygen), during aerobic exercise and anaerobic glycogen, fat, and amino acids are being used to energy, the ratios just change depending on what you are doing

so, during low intensity exercise the real "sweet point" for fat burning takes place around 20minutes in, at this point you are burning a high % of FFA(free fatty acids) and a lower % of glycogen, but you are right about the ratios changing at around the 60minute mark

for high intensity glycogen is the primary and gluconeogenesis can also set in, but because of the vast amount of energy expended a good deal of fat loss occurs

it's all math really, here's an example(using fictitious numbers)

let's say that during low intensity cardio for 45 minutes you burn 400cal at 80% effciency

400 x 0.8=320cal from fat

now let's say you do 30minutes of HIIT and burn 700cal at 60% efficiency

700 x 0.6=420cal from fat, plus the afterburn

the problem with doing just one type cardio is that it's like doing just one type of workout, your body will become used to it after a while, so best results can be achieved by mixing them

plus you can't do empty stomach HIIT training, nor do i like doing low intensity after weight lifting due to the mixed signals you are sending your body(type 1 vs. type 2 tissue building)

[TractionIssues]

well wouldent any kind of steroid surpress your nat test? and massive weight gains an big sides isent what im shooting for. steroids are tools ones not better then the other one its how you use them and make them work for you? if one was the best then why would there be such a aray of stacks and solos and types of steroids

Yes all steroids supress your natty test, but when your 21 and your test levels are still very high, why replace it with something so weak? Your risking the chance of damaging something to get what I think will be a useless cycle. Not to mention anyway, your bf% is very high to be using steroids. I see much better progress if you were to perfect your diet and training, and then in 2 years set yourself up a nice cycle that will add on quality mass. IMO people who say "I only want to put on a little muscle" are not ready, or do not need steroids. And if you decide not to add Test to your "cycle", I hope you don't mind not being able to get your dick hard, low libido, low energy and strength, possible depression and anxiety etc... If you are a man, or at least want to be one, that's not the way...

[TractionIssues]

and im pretty sure that glycogen has to be burnt up reguardless of cardio to hit fat oxidation so odds are if your running a workout then hit glycogen will already be burnt through plus amino acids have only been shown to burn on areobic activity over 90 mins where protien is used for energy source for lack of glycogen

While you are burning glycogen, your body is immediately working to recreate more, it will first target food you have readily digested (example eats oats before working out) and then it will hit your fat stores to convert fat to energy. You don't just use up your glycogen and then BAM that's it...

[TractionIssues]

To continue my last post, the reason low intensity cardio works better to burn fat is because high intensity has less time to burn the fat to convert it to energy, and because your oxidization levels are lower, making it harder to metabolize the fat itself.

[doctorclaus]

I WANT TO SEE 5'7 217 @ 15% BF

[doctorclaus]

Ohh about fat burning ill start cuttin in 3 weeks.....is cardio in the am before brekfast good fat burner or not??

[Phate]

I WANT TO SEE 5'7 217 @ 15% BF

he already posted them in his album

Ohh about fat burning ill start cuttin in 3 weeks.....is cardio in the am before brekfast good fat burner or not??

yes if used properly

[randym2690]

traction just read the study it says right there that hit is betterr for weight loss then low intensity sorry bro ill go with science on this one and the whole burning up your glycogen thing yeah it kinda is bam thats it unless your digesting carbs to fuel activity during workout i guess it would all depend on how long before your workout you ate on weather that food source would have already been broken down and yes it works better then low intensity because for the next 24 hours after doing it your burning more calories then you normally would so add that to the math that phate gave us it is more pronounced of a fat burning workout then the low intenisty as for your comments phate yes i agree that the body adapts to the same routine but the three ways to stop adaptation is control tempo,intensity,exercises not one is better then the other all 3 work to stop the "platue" effect.

[randym2690]

morning cardio is also a myth man i want proof on that one your body burns x number of calories a day from body comp rmr or resting matabolism rate add in activity level you get your calories needed for maint/cut/bulk depending on formulas if anything morning cardio would be detrimental to you. think about the car anaolgy would you go to a race track with no gas in your car and try to win? no you want a full tank so you can preform. honestly all i have to do is refer to the study on the effects of hit and the increase in rmr 24 hours after it.

[doctorclaus]

Whats a good fatburner besides clen phate???? Over the counter...

[randym2690]

and yeah from what everyone else has said i apprently am not where i thought i was for bf but ill just throw it out there the guy who took it it has been a huge name in the fitness indrusty for along time an if the tampa bay bucks toronto raptures and university of florida trust them with there fitness ill take his word for it.

[Phate]

morning cardio is also a myth man i want proof on that one your body burns x number of calories a day from body comp rmr or resting matabolism rate add in activity level you get your calories needed for maint/cut/bulk depending on formulas if anything morning cardio would be detrimental to you. think about the car anaolgy would you go to a race track with no gas in your car and try to win? no you want a full tank so you can preform. honestly all i have to do is refer to the study on the effects of hit and the increase in rmr 24 hours after it.

the problem with your analogy is that if you are 200lbs at 15%bf, you have 30lbs of fat on you which is equivalent to 105,000calories of energy, so you don't have to have glycogen to have energy as long as you keep your body in an aerobic state

[randym2690]

green tea, caffine,fishoil,cla, ephedrine

[randym2690]

actully i retract my statment of morning cardio from the study i just looked at stated that it was more effective but insignificatly so

Exercise Physiologist Greg Landry, MS, author of "The Metabolism System for Weight Loss and Fitness," explains, "I agree that you burn a fuel mix that is a little higher in fat if you’re exercising on an empty stomach. However, I think the real question is, does that matter? I believe we have a ‘pool’ of calories stored in different forms in the body (fat, glycogen, etc.), so ‘burned’ calories all come from the same pool. Thus, it really doesn’t matter that the fuel mix has a little more fat in it at a given time. If it’s pulling from fat stores at that time, then it’s pulling less from glycogen stores and thus future consumed calories will be a little more likely to be stored as fat because glycogen stores are a little fuller. So it’s all a wash."

Lyle McDonald, an expert on bodybuilding nutrition and author of "The Ketogenic Diet," agrees. He argues that the body will compensate later in the day and is simply "too smart" for strategies like this to make a substantial difference in results: "All that research says is that you burn a greater proportion of fat this way, which I agree with 100%," says Lyle. "The majority of research shows that as far as real world fat loss goes, it doesn’t really matter what you burn. Rather, 24-hour calorie balance is what matters. Because if you burn glucose during exercise, you tend to burn more fat the rest of the day. If you burn fat during exercise, you burn more glucose during the day. The end result is identical. If that weren’t the case, then athletes like sprinters who never ‘burn fat’ during exercise wouldn’t be shredded. Basically, they burn so many calories that they remain in balance and don’t gain any fat. So, while morning cardio probably provides some psychological benefits to bodybuilders who are programmed to do it that way, I can’t say that I think it will result in greater ‘real world’ fat loss, which is what matters."