Cycle Advice.... Test E, Tren, Winny

**King JRoc** · 07-02-2009, 10:48 PM

Guys,

First I have to say that I am pretty new to the forum but that I have already learned so much. I have posted a cycle before and got a lot of feedback as to getting my diet right and I have taken heed.

I am not starting any gear til I am perfect on diet and back to around 13% BF. I believe I am around 15% now but wont be for sure til I get measured at the gym again.

I just want everyone to know that I am listening and trying to find as much time as possible to look at the diet forum. I haven't posted over there yet b/c I am still trying to read all the stickies, etc.

What I need (for now) is some advice of what else I need for the cycle I am planning on doing. I am trying to be well prepared before I start and I am slowly getting all of these pieces together.

Stats (currently):

5'11"
209 lbs
27 years old
15% BF (Not for sure on this one, can see my six pack)

I went on a workout sabbatical from Aug '07 until Aug '08. (Got lazy and out of shape, got up to 20% BF before I got pissed at myself and got back in the gym. I basically lost almost everything but my size)

I have done 5 cycles and kept most of the gains, but only one during the last year (Oct-Dec of '08, EQ, Test Prop, Masteron -wasn't happy with the gear, felt it was way underdosed). All the others were on and off from the age of 23-25.

Here is what I got so far: 3 btls Test E, 3 btls Tren A, 2 btls Win. I haven't got PCT or an AI yet.

Here is what I am thinking.

Weeks 1-4:
Test E 250 mgs every fourth day

Weeks 4-8:
Test E 250 mgs every fourth day
Tren A 50-75mgs eod (start at 50mgs and adjust to tolerance)

Weeks 8-12:
Test E 250 mgs every fourth day
Tren A 75 mgs eod
Win 100 mgs eod

Not set on PCT as of yet. Still working on that portion.

Once again, I am not starting this anytime soon but I want to get any and everything I need way ahead of time.

Thanks in advance for the responses......

***T-MOS*** · 07-02-2009, 10:55 PM

5 cycles and ONLY 209???

something is definitely wrong here !!!

at your height, you should be able to get to 210 NATURALLY !!!

Your cycle needs tweeked

Weeks 1-12 Test E @500mgs/week shot 250 every 3.5 days
Weeks 4-12 Tren A @ 50mgs ED (Tren A and Winny NEED to be dosed ED, Not EOD)
Weeks 9-14 Winny @ 50-100 mgs ED

PCT starts beginning of week 15

What are your goals for this cycle???

DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT STARTING THIS CYCLE UNTIL YOU HAVE PCT AND AI IN YOUR HANDS!!!!!

**King JRoc** · 07-02-2009, 11:03 PM

I was at 230 when I went on my sabbatical. I slowly lost weight and muscle until I basically had to start over I would say...

I will not be starting until I have everything (PCT, AI, more importantly diet)

Thanks for the feedback T-MOS

What do you think I should use as my AI? Arimi?

PCT:
Nolvadex for sure but what else? HCG , Aromasin , Vitamin E?

**King JRoc** · 07-02-2009, 11:10 PM

Forgot to post goals....

220 with 10% BF or below

***T-MOS*** · 07-02-2009, 11:13 PM

PCT is usually , clomid/nolva. check some of the PCT sticky threads

AI i like arimidex

HCG can be used DURING the cycle at your discretion, not after

have you used tren before?? you will want something to counter progesterone like B6 or caber

**scerpico22** · 07-02-2009, 11:18 PM

first sticky on the this board...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916

**King JRoc** · 07-02-2009, 11:24 PM

I have not used Tren before. I keep hearing people refer to caber but I am not sure what that is. B6? Can you just take B6 supplements?

As far as the HCG afterwards, I got that from this sticky by Pinnacle. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

Do you disagree?

***T-MOS*** · 07-02-2009, 11:34 PM

Pinn's PCT is a bit old, and the new school is that HCG shouldn't be used after

BUT, there are SO many ways to run PCT that I really hate advising on it. what works well for one, may not work as well for someone else

I personally dont' use HCG, but that is just me

**King JRoc** · 07-02-2009, 11:47 PM

Soooo...

This is the method to go with:

"PCT

*Tamox - 40/40/20/20 --(Until Blood Results have confirmed the HPTA has indeed began to recover.)
*Clomid - 100/100/50/50 --(Above)
*Tormifene - 60/40/40/40 -- (Above)
**Aromasin - 20/20/20/20 --(Above)

*Use 2 SERMs, not all 3. I prefer Tamox and Clomid, but only because im yet to use Tormifene. From what i hear, Tormifene has recently been reported to be the best SERM at restarting an inhibited HPTA.(I will talk more about it later, just waiting on some info from Swifto.)"

***T-MOS*** · 07-02-2009, 11:48 PM

looks like a winner to me

**King JRoc** · 07-02-2009, 11:51 PM

As far as Adex goes...

I have gotten the beginning stages of Gyno before and stopped it with Adex. I have some puffiness in my nipple still to this day but no lump and I think most of the puffiness comes from BF.

My question is this.... Should I just start out taking it at .5mgs per day? Or wait a couple of weeks into the Test E? Or just wait and see if gyno starts to develop?

***T-MOS*** · 07-02-2009, 11:53 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

**King JRoc** · 07-02-2009, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

PCT is usually , clomid/nolva. check some of the PCT sticky threads

AI i like arimidex

HCG can be used DURING the cycle at your discretion, not after

have you used tren before?? you will want something to counter progesterone like B6 or caber

How can I take B6? Just over the counter B6 supplements? How many mgs per day?

***T-MOS*** · 07-02-2009, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by King JRoc

How can I take B6? Just over the counter B6 supplements? How many mgs per day?

yea i take OTC at 200 mgs/ed

**King JRoc** · 07-03-2009, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

Very good sticky...

I actually have some Femara on hand. Only problem is they are 2.5 mg pills and they are so f***ing small I don't know how I could cut them to .25mgs....

**King JRoc** · 07-03-2009, 12:02 AM

Do you find that B6 is sufficient and no need for caber?

But I guess if I use Letro as my AI during cycle I wont need it? Letro scares me tho. Thats why I have some that I never took. I don't want to lose my sex drive!

***T-MOS*** · 07-03-2009, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by King JRoc

Do you find that B6 is sufficient and no need for caber?

But I guess if I use Letro as my AI during cycle I wont need it? Letro scares me tho. Thats why I have some that I never took. I don't want to lose my sex drive!

I don't think i would use letro during the cycle, as it will KILL all estrogen...

I find b6 works for ME, thats all I can say as everyone is different, I am not gyno prone so maybe I don't need much

**King JRoc** · 07-07-2009, 09:36 PM

Thanks for your help T-Mos. I am not going to use the letro. I will just keep it in case I ever need it I guess...

I will update this thread when I get BF% measured and have my diet worked out perfectly. I am not starting it until I am satisfied that I am doing everything right and well prepared for the tren . I am taking heed to the advice about how harsh tren can be.

I am definitely not in a huge hurry to start and I want to make sure that I am smarter than I have been on past cycles....