Is 125mg/wk of test enough to cruise on?

[Polska]

Why do most cruise at 200-250mg? Considering the male body naturally produces around 80mg/wk that amount seems overkill?

125mg/wk should be adequate, no?

[Dukkit]

to answer your question

yes

but its not advised

when ppl cruise they are doing so in order to keep gains, forgo PCT to build up for another upcoming cycle, lessen the time between cycles by not needing PCT, etc.

so they still want an extra boost. 200-250mg will do that.

but if they go lower then they are just doing a low TRT really and so there wont be any boost and its kinda pointless

in reality it all depends what your reason for cruising is...........
cuz 125 can work

[ninesecz]

male body actully only produces 7mg day or 50a week not 80!! So even 100mg a week maintanence dose is plenty! So just go higher cause hey feekl the gains will solidify quicker
no proof to that

[Polska]

male body actully only produces 7mg day or 50a week not 80!! So even 100mg a week maintanence dose is plenty! So just go higher cause hey feekl the gains will solidify quicker
no proof to that

Thats what I am saying. I figure the less you cruise on the more effective the dose will be when you blast. And for those of us (me) that like lower dosages, it makes more sense to cruise at 125mg and blast at 400mg.... at least that's the way I see it. I see 125mg as closer to homeostasis and more beneficial to the body from a health perspective. Yet even docs are subscribing 200mg a week dosages for HRT patients now. Weird

[c-Z]

^^ Agreed.... IDK I have seen it done at many different doses. However I have read it around 5-10mgs a day..... So either way 35-70mgs a way. Which is still lower then cruising at 125mgs....

I personally don't know any one who cruises and blasts.. But i completely understand what your saying about running it lower so when you blast it should be more effective... IDK... Talk to t-mos hes a cruise and blast.

[Seattle Junk]

Thats what I am saying. I figure the less you cruise on the more effective the dose will be when you blast. And for those of us (me) that like lower dosages, it makes more sense to cruise at 125mg and blast at 400mg.... at least that's the way I see it. I see 125mg as closer to homeostasis and more beneficial to the body from a health perspective. Yet even docs are subscribing 200mg a week dosages for HRT patients now. Weird

I don't agree with your theory because even at 125mgs you are still retarding or shutting down your HPTA after a full cycle. If you are going to cruise at that amount then just do a proper PCT and let your body produce it's own test naturally. I would rather see somebody "cruise" on HGH than test. At least you don't have that nasty negative feedback loop with the possibility of damaging your HPTA.

Unless you are an older male and really want you mean is HRT not cruising.

[Test247]

I cruise at 200mg/wk

[Test247]

remember 30% is ester so thats only 140mg useable test.

[Test247]

I think the point is to be at a level Anti-E's aren't needed, and your body is functioning well but your not over doing it.

[SpanishStallion]

I use 100mg to cruise sometimes and is enough for me.

[c-Z]

I cruise at 200mg/wk

remember 30% is ester so thats only 140mg useable test.

I think the point is to be at a level Anti-E's aren't needed, and your body is functioning well but your not over doing it.

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[forza nuova]

remember 30% is ester so thats only 140mg useable test.

exaclty so 125mg of test would equal 85mgs of real test,,,
why would people want to inject,(shut down) if your body produces that amount naturally

[c-Z]

exaclty so 125mg of test would equal 85mgs of real test,,,
why would people want to inject,(shut down) if your body produces that amount naturally

5-10mgs a day is what I have seen after looking into the subject.

[Polska]

I don't agree with your theory because even at 125mgs you are still retarding or shutting down your HPTA after a full cycle. If you are going to cruise at that amount then just do a proper PCT and let your body produce it's own test naturally. I would rather see somebody "cruise" on HGH than test. At least you don't have that nasty negative feedback loop with the possibility of damaging your HPTA.

Unless you are an older male and really want you mean is HRT not cruising.

You're right cruising and HRT are two separate things. Though in my experience most gains are lost during and after PCT when hormone levels take some time to rebound. At that point catabolism is rampant for me.

[SilverTest]

i cruise at 250 mg per week . the point is to have enough ABOVE average test levels between cycles , its pointless to cruise on what your body actually produces. and i dont believe at all that taking testosterone is gonna do any harm to the body ever , its a naturally occuring substance , you never get a damaged kidney or liver or heart from your own test . and u'r not gonna get it from the bioidentical one in the injections.

and no dont tell me you will screw up your lipids , because i do not believe either that cholesterol is the cause of heart disease.

We can open another thread for this matter and discuss it.

and for the record , there is no proof whatsoever that cruising and blasting will impair your HPTA forever.

i actually did a 6 month cycle to see how i recover afte being on for long , and its no different , my test levels are more than fine , the only thing thats nagging me bad is the estogen from the HCG i shot which i believe where not even necessary , i couldv got away with just clomid and nolva for 6 weeks.

[Polska]

i cruise at 250 mg per week . the point is to have enough ABOVE average test levels between cycles , its pointless to cruise on what your body actually produces. and i dont believe at all that taking testosterone is gonna do any harm to the body ever , its a naturally occuring substance , you never get a damaged kidney or liver or heart from your own test . and u'r not gonna get it from the bioidentical one in the injections.

and no dont tell me you will screw up your lipids , because i do not believe either that cholesterol is the cause of heart disease.

We can open another thread for this matter and discuss it.

and for the record , there is no proof whatsoever that cruising and blasting will impair your HPTA forever.

i actually did a 6 month cycle to see how i recover afte being on for long , and its no different , my test levels are more than fine , the only thing thats nagging me bad is the estogen from the HCG i shot which i believe where not even necessary , i couldv got away with just clomid and nolva for 6 weeks.

How old are you silvertest?

[longhorn814]

im taking 125mg/wk basically for HRT..i have a close friend that is a specialist in the endocrine system and he monitors my bloodwork for me..just had it done last week and everything was good..my HDL was slighly low at 33 and LDL was 107..total cholesterol was 149 so my ratio was <5 which is good..the crazy thing is my total and LDL dropped from 7 months ago and Ive been on 125mg/wk this whole time..HDL stayed the same..everything else was normal..test level was 599 too..as long as you keep your test levels within normal range..you shouldnt really expect any problems

[Ashop]

male body actully only produces 7mg day or 50a week not 80!! So even 100mg a week maintanence dose is plenty! So just go higher cause hey feekl the gains will solidify quicker
no proof to that

100mg is what alot of doctors prescribe for TRT.
I think your better off in the 200mg range for TRT and making some bodybuilding gains or maintaining

[UncleD]

if i drop below 200 i feel like total sh it but i dont go over 250, theres alot of factors, estrogen, weight, injection times ect everyone is diff so haveing bloodwork and proper adjustemnts to get a good total test and free test is needed

[SilverTest]

How old are you silvertest?

24 Y/o

[ted666]

ive read 8mg a week is what an average male produces

[Polska]

24 Y/o

I am 27, it's probably going to be harder for me to recover

[Polska]

ive read 8mg a week is what an average male produces

Don't you mean 80mg?

[The Deuce]

Im sorry but I am one who Agrees with SILVERTEST... I know i will receive a lot of hell from people on this but I have said this all ALONG.

I have to be on Testosterone for the rest of my LIFE because my BODY thought it would be cool to not natty produce it anymore at 26 years old.. now I am 27 and OH WELL.. so what I have to inject 200mgs EW of Test for however many more weeks that I am alive whether it be 10 more weeks or 2500 weeks (in case I make it another 50 years-ish) I need it to be able to FUNCTION properly. The plus side to it all.. IT ALLOWS YOU TO GROW MUSCLE TISSUE.

Of course at some point I believe I will stop using AAS. Probably when my career for BBing ends or.. I die.. whichever comes first....

BUT REGARDLESS, I need Testosterone Injected into my body every week to make MR. HAPPY .. well HAPPY !!

Do I honestly think that injecting this Testosterone is GOING TO KILL ME SOONER?? FVCK NO !!! I will die when I am meant to die. Testosterone injections are NOT... I repeat are NOT going to contribute to my demise.

To answer the OP question.. NO... Cruising at 125mgs per week is not enough.. that is a HRT dose and will ONLY do just that.. replace your bodies HORMONAL BALANCE. You might.. MIGHT be able to retain the gains of your cycle at that dose if you cycled before you reached your genetic limit BUT IF YOU ARE LIKE 99% Of the AAS users out there.. You stuck that needle in before you reached your natty potential.. SO IMHO... if you want to continue to make gains, while cruising or maintain at least what You gained during your cycle.. THEN 200mgs PER WEEK MINIMUM is required..

Note this is all MY OPINION AND SHOULD BE REGARDED AS SUCH !!!


One more thing, I love Testosterone, whether it was the Test my body produced or the kind I have to inject... AND WHY IS THAT YOU MAY ASK???

BECAUSE TESTOSTERONE IS WHAT MAKES ME (ALL OF US) MEN !!! And as men, we NEED Test to function properly... IN more ways than ONE.

[Polska]

Im sorry but I am one who Agrees with SILVERTEST... I know i will receive a lot of hell from people on this but I have said this all ALONG.

I have to be on Testosterone for the rest of my LIFE because my BODY thought it would be cool to not natty produce it anymore at 26 years old.. now I am 27 and OH WELL.. so what I have to inject 200mgs EW of Test for however many more weeks that I am alive whether it be 10 more weeks or 2500 weeks (in case I make it another 50 years-ish) I need it to be able to FUNCTION properly. The plus side to it all.. IT ALLOWS YOU TO GROW MUSCLE TISSUE.

Of course at some point I believe I will stop using AAS. Probably when my career for BBing ends or.. I die.. whichever comes first....

BUT REGARDLESS, I need Testosterone Injected into my body every week to make MR. HAPPY .. well HAPPY !!

Do I honestly think that injecting this Testosterone is GOING TO KILL ME SOONER?? FVCK NO !!! I will die when I am meant to die. Testosterone injections are NOT... I repeat are NOT going to contribute to my demise.

To answer the OP question.. NO... Cruising at 125mgs per week is not enough.. that is a HRT dose and will ONLY do just that.. replace your bodies HORMONAL BALANCE. You might.. MIGHT be able to retain the gains of your cycle at that dose if you cycled before you reached your genetic limit BUT IF YOU ARE LIKE 99% Of the AAS users out there.. You stuck that needle in before you reached your natty potential.. SO IMHO... if you want to continue to make gains, while cruising or maintain at least what You gained during your cycle.. THEN 200mgs PER WEEK MINIMUM is required..

Note this is all MY OPINION AND SHOULD BE REGARDED AS SUCH !!!


One more thing, I love Testosterone, whether it was the Test my body produced or the kind I have to inject... AND WHY IS THAT YOU MAY ASK???

BECAUSE TESTOSTERONE IS WHAT MAKES ME (ALL OF US) MEN !!! And as men, we NEED Test to function properly... IN more ways than ONE.

Do you have any estrogenic sides from 200mg a week?

[Test247]

I run 200mg a week, I am 28 and I cruise and blast too. 200mg I really dont need any anti-e's unless Im reversing some sensitive nipples from a big cycle before. Occasionally I'll drop in .5 arimidex 1-2x a week if needed, but Im gyno prone.

Anyways, I figure until I want a kid and soon as Im done having him made Im on test for life, whats 1-2 needles a week for a much better life, I've never felt better and I had low natural test before as well.

I had a free testosterone , estrogen and dht test a little while back.

Results... Free test scale 30-140 was greater than 1000, off the scale
estrogen .8-1.9 was 1.1
DHT 20-45 was 85 so I started on propecia at 1mg a day to keep the hair folicles on my head.

This was on 275mg a week cruise, I've since dropped to 200 since my test levels were still so high and that's what I'm going to do from now on.

[SilverTest]

damn you gotta love the test !

for the record too , it is impossible for me to count and state how much testosterone , mine or from injections helps me in every way you can think of , EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE.

to be clear brothers , testosterone is what separates the winners from the loosers in this life, not only bodybuilding. sorry but that is fact.

i simply cannot overemphasize enough on how important it is. if you loose it , you got NOTHING.

[SilverTest]

I am 27, it's probably going to be harder for me to recover

why bro ? 3 years are nothing. maybe if you are above 45 i can understand that , but hell you are still in your prime.

[romo6]

Im 43,i cruise at 200 and blast at 500.Just thought you guys would like to know that.

[Test247]

totally agreed!

[Goggins]

***Please skip down to the bold text if you don't want to read the long version.***

I beg your forgiveness for bumping such an old thread, but I found it during a Google search and it answers some of the exact questions I had. Questions that none of the guys in my gym have answers for.

First, a little background. I just turned 45. I look 30 and I feel 20. Zero health issues whatsoever, knock on wood. I am on my 12th week of Test-Cyp (250mg x2 per week). My plan was to come off right about now and use the Torem I bought for PCT. I also have HCG on hand, but I haven't used it yet. "The boys" feel as big as they ever did while off-cycle. In addition to some common OTC supps (to prevent sides), I also have been dosing Letro at 0.50 mg E2D. Not because of past gyno issues or because of a gyno flare up, but because I have always had a little extra chest fat since puberty, and I heard Letro has been known to take care of that in some cases. I am getting none of the infamous sides from Letro, and my chest seems to be tightening up better than ever, so I'll keep running it until the bottle is empty. After that, I likely won't use it again unless a gyno issue arises.

In the 12 weeks I've been on test, my body has made a drastic transformation. I am probably within a few pounds of the weight I was when I began (I am 6'1", 215), but the composition of my body has changed completely. Way less fat... WAY more muscle. To the point where people give me compliments every day, in and out of the gym. One lady I see in the gym every night said to me "I just wanted to tell you that you've made incredible progress in the last three months -- I notice these things. Your arms in particular got huge!"

LOL. She nailed the EXACT time frame that I've been on the shit, and she doesn't even realize it. Anyway, you can probably guess where I'm going with this. Our heads get big with all the compliments, and I really do want to avoid the dreaded phase of depression when you get into PCT.... mainly because of the inevitable muscle loss.

So the idea of "cruising" appeals to me. I'm dosing at 500mg/wk. now. I am thinking of knocking that down to 200 or 250. Forever. And then blast at 750 or so in the summer when it's beach time. The one, main question I have for you fine folks: if I do this, will I *never* require PCT? If you are always ON-cycle, there is no such thing as the "P" in PCT, correct?

The bottom line is, can I go 40 weeks @ 250/wk. and 12 weeks @ 750/wk. forever with no PCT needed?

If the answer is yes, what are some of the things that I'll always need to have on hand "just in case"...?

Thanks to all who read this, and thanks to those who can offer guidance.

[gym_junki]

Would gave been better if you have started your own thread mate lol you made me read all this thread thinking it was new until you said sorry for bumping an old thread so yeh anyway to answer your question yes you can cruise on that dose with no pct and raise the dose again when you want to, but I wouldn't recommend it considering the age you mentioned, you are keeping your body shut for that long period of time might make it impossible for you to recover, it's best to stop at 12 weeks maintain your gains and start again when you have recovered. It's diffreny if you are on trt which your body does not make it's natural test where crusing/maintaining and blasting will never become an issue because there is no getting off there's no pct. Your choice mate but your happy now that your getting the complements from the women but what are you going to do after 40 weeks when your body can't recover?? Play it safe there's always time for another cycle

[chuckt12345]

you can cruise at 50mg a wk or 500,,, at 50 you will keep all the important things going (libido, well being etc) but you may lose more of your gains at the lower dose than say if you were doint 200mg/wk.