Estrogen control

**pepous** · 08-27-2009, 05:43 AM

I have curios question maybe

If I am taking 150mg/w TstE and 0,25/OD of arimidex while BF 30%

And after diet will decrease my BF% to 10% will be still arimidex needed?

**Matt** · 08-27-2009, 05:48 AM

Have you started taking your test yet or is this something your thinking about????

**pepous** · 08-27-2009, 05:53 AM

That is only hypotetical question :-) I am thinking about TRT

**tboney** · 08-27-2009, 08:37 AM

If I were you I would get my bf % down before test.

**sizerp** · 08-28-2009, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by tboney

If I were you I would get my bf % down before test.

I agree with tboney here. Are you administering TRT by yourself, or under supervision of a Dr.?

If it's self-administered, why do you think you need TRT, are your natty test levels low? Did you research this through blood-work?

**pepous** · 08-28-2009, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by sizerp

I agree with tboney here. Are you administering TRT by yourself, or under supervision of a Dr.?

If it's self-administered, why do you think you need TRT, are your natty test levels low? Did you research this through blood-work?

Not yet, but I know that I have problem... I am not under control by Doctor.
I will try to explain that with my bad english:

I did 2 cycles with 250mg TST week only. When I am ON I feel absolutery great and when I am off I feel terrible ( depression, antiexy ) This started when I come to puberty 13-14 maybe.

I am only 19 years old. Now I am in PCT ... So I am asking for information. What is chance that my problem will be solved without TRT? I want to feel as great as in CYCLE all the time!

I hope I will have only high estrogen levels but I am waiting for blood work.

**sizerp** · 08-28-2009, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by pepous

Not yet, but I know that I have problem... I am not under control by Doctor.
I will try to explain that with my bad english:

I did 2 cycles with 250mg TST week only. When I am ON I feel absolutery great and when I am off I feel terrible ( depression, antiexy ) This started when I come to puberty 13-14 maybe.

I am only 19 years old. Now I am in PCT ... So I am asking for information. What is chance that my problem will be solved without TRT? I want to feel as great as in CYCLE all the time!

I hope I will have only high estrogen levels but I am waiting for blood work.

Well, that is normal. Feeling great on, and feeling crappy during PCT.

How long were your previous cycles exactly? If you could outline them that'd be better. It's tough to say whether you damaged yourself to the point where you need TRT.

If you run a proper PCT you should be able to rebound back to a more normal level. However, if you've had low test levels since puberty, you should see a Dr. and at least get his opinion.

Even if you administered your own TRT you should still do regular blood work to see where your levels are until you find the right cruising dose, IMO.

Being only 19 your body should be fairly resilient!

**pepous** · 08-28-2009, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by sizerp

Well, that is normal. Feeling great on, and feeling crappy during PCT.

How long were your previous cycles exactly? If you could outline them that'd be better. It's tough to say whether you damaged yourself to the point where you need TRT.

If you run a proper PCT you should be able to rebound back to a more normal level. However, if you've had low test levels since puberty, you should see a Dr. and at least get his opinion.

Even if you administered your own TRT you should still do regular blood work to see where your levels are until you find the right cruising dose, IMO.

Being only 19 your body should be fairly resilient!

My cycle was 11 weeks long. I dont agree from what I heard young guys should not to see psychical changes while they are on and OFF ... Their TST is very hight. Diference can feel only man who has same hormonal deficit or is not young.

Do you agree? many guys dont feel the difference between ON and OFF why?

I hope and think that I am not hypogonadal boy. My problem is in homeostatis of homones.. Maybe much estrogens.

Truly I dont want to live like I am OFF cycle that is really terrible lifestyle hate it! depression are really bad think

I have enormous difference between I am on I am OFF ( not pCT )

**sizerp** · 08-28-2009, 04:43 AM

Like I said, it's normal when you're off cycle to feel crappy until your natural testosterone levels stabilize.

When you put exogenous test in your system your natural levels shut off. It takes a couple months usually to get them normal levels back up.

I really don't know how to explain it any other way.

How long have you been on PCT for? When did your last cycle end?

**sizerp** · 08-28-2009, 04:45 AM

Better question, what was your PCT regimen?

That is, what chemicals and @ what doses, and for how long?

**pepous** · 08-28-2009, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by sizerp

Better question, what was your PCT regimen?

That is, what chemicals and @ what doses, and for how long?

Like I said, it's normal when you're off cycle to feel crappy until your natural testosterone levels stabilize.

11 weeks sustanon
13 - 2500UI / twice a week
14 - 5000UI in one shot
15 - 30mg tamoxifen + 100mg clomid every day
16 - this moment

I am not talking about PCT... I feel crappy when I am off and fully recovered. Now of course I feel crappy to :-)

**sizerp** · 08-28-2009, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by pepous

11 weeks sustanon
13 - 2500UI / twice a week
14 - 5000UI in one shot
15 - 30mg tamoxifen + 100mg clomid every day
16 - this moment

I am not talking about PCT... I feel crappy when I am off and fully recovered. Now of course I feel crappy to :-)

Well, that's a pretty weak PCT to be honest.

I would suggest something like

Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20

Also what is the bold? HCG ?

Before jumping on a dose of TRT why not try starting over with your PCT. Also you should probably try to avoid HCG DURING PCT as it suppresses natural LH production.

Standard TRT doses usually range from 100-200mg/week of a longer ester test such as Cyp. or Enanth.

There's a whole forum section dedicated to TRT discussion, and if you scroll down you'll see what I mean. GL man!

**sizerp** · 08-28-2009, 05:04 AM

So that's 4 weeks of Clomid and Nolva... at 100mg ED for week 1, 50mg ED for week 2, etc...

**pepous** · 08-28-2009, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by sizerp

So that's 4 weeks of Clomid and Nolva... at 100mg ED for week 1, 50mg ED for week 2, etc...

Exactly this I am plannig to do. I dont think this is weak PCT as you said.... but it will last probably next 3-4 weeeks to be fully recovered.

And of course
thank you

so I am planing in 3-4 weeks check my hormonal levels ( blood work)
And I will add the result do this discusion if is all right.... probably not

And YES HCG

**sizerp** · 08-28-2009, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by pepous

Exactly this I am plannig to do. I dont think this is weak PCT as you said.... but it will last probably next 3-4 weeeks to be fully recovered.

And of course
thank you

You're welcome, hope it all works out.

**pepous** · 08-28-2009, 05:15 AM

Exactly this I am plannig to do. I dont think this is weak PCT as you said.... but it will last probably next 3-4 weeeks to be fully recovered.

And of course
thank you

so I am planing in 3-4 weeks check my hormonal levels ( blood work)
And I will add the result do this discusion if is all right.... probably not

And YES HCG

**sizerp** · 08-28-2009, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by pepous

Exactly this I am plannig to do. I dont think this is weak PCT as you said.... but it will last probably next 3-4 weeeks to be fully recovered.

And of course
thank you

so I am planing in 3-4 weeks check my hormonal levels ( blood work)
And I will add the result do this discusion if is all right.... probably not

And YES HCG

Look forward to hearing an update.

**pepous** · 08-28-2009, 05:33 AM

Personally I believe that my problem can be solved with only arimidex without TRT..

Anastrozol without AAS

**Ashop** · 08-28-2009, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by pepous

I have curios question maybe

If I am taking 150mg/w TstE and 0,25/OD of arimidex while BF 30%

And after diet will decrease my BF% to 10% will be still arimidex needed?

If your still on testosterone and want to avoid any negative sides then YES,, continue the ARIMIDEX.