16 week steriod cycle. help

**2jz_calgary** · 10-02-2009, 09:44 PM

deca should never be ran on a first cycle as it will shut you down hard, and some have a hard time recovering from it. You need to see how you react to test. As well as deca is a 19nor and it can be dangerous to run nolvadex with it.

**Skippa** · 10-02-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by trainhard981

what about 100mg deca along with 500mg test for 12 weeks as well? to help with the joints etc. thanks

First of all NO!

Drop the deca idea for now

Single compound.....TEST.....Dbol kicka if you wish

No more what if's read the stickys before you post again

**PC650** · 10-02-2009, 09:48 PM

honestly your joins wont get too fried. i would just keep the test only for right now. youll just waste your money using the deca at such a small dose. save it fo your next one bro.

**PC650** · 10-02-2009, 09:49 PM

do you have a pct?

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 09:55 PM

yes i have nolvadex for pct
i might just save the deca for the next cycle thanks for the advice there
and if i ran test for 12 weeks and 6 weeks kick start of d bol
realistically if im benchin around 65, how much am i lookin to bench at the end of the cycle if my diet is spot on etc. thanks

**PC650** · 10-02-2009, 10:03 PM

stay at 4 weeks for the dbol first of all. do you mean 65lbs?

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 10:06 PM

i mean kg? lol

**PC650** · 10-02-2009, 10:10 PM

so you bench 143lbs? are you sure your ready for anabolics? cuz i dont think you are, not trying too be rude, whats your weigt? height? bf?

**Big** · 10-02-2009, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by PC650

so you bench 143lbs? are you sure your ready for anabolics? cuz i dont think you are, not trying too be rude, whats your weigt? height? bf?

he already said he's 6' and 145lbs, and no of course he's not ready for a cycle.

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 10:16 PM

weight, 83 kg, 13 stones lol
im 6 ft
i can bench 65kg for 20 reps, i can do 90kg for 1 reps...
body fat i dnt knw lol, sorry
but thanks

**Big** · 10-02-2009, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by trainhard981

height: 6 ft
weight: 66 kg
bf: i dont know... i am quite skinny..
pct: run nolvadex at 20mg daily....
diet: breakfast 3 eggs, beans, brown bread, and pro gain extreme shake
11am, protein bar,
12. lunch time: 3 breast chicken peices and pro max extreme shake
4pm, tuna, 7 chicken peices and egg and sweetcorn and beans and progain shake
7pm, few fruits and promax

thanks

Originally Posted by trainhard981

weight, 83 kg, 13 stones lol
im 6 ft
i can bench 65kg for 20 reps, i can do 90kg for 1 reps...
body fat i dnt knw lol, sorry
but thanks

well you've gained 17kg in a couple hours, just keep that up.

**Big** · 10-02-2009, 10:21 PM

you should post a pic so we can see what base you're working with.

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 10:22 PM

if u read my old posting, it shows, tht i mistaked tht as tht was my old scale weight at the gym which ws like a year ago and i jus weighed myself on my scale like 2 hours ago and ws 13 stones so i converted it online to kg and it ws 83kg.

**PC650** · 10-02-2009, 10:23 PM

can you post a pic?

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 10:23 PM

will do, when my gf comes back from her holiday, in 2 weeks, as she has the digital camera, hopefully i might have started the cycle on monday and will post images to show progress thanks

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 10:24 PM

really appreciate your help guys

**Big** · 10-02-2009, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by trainhard981

if u read my old posting, it shows, tht i mistaked tht as tht was my old scale weight at the gym which ws like a year ago and i jus weighed myself on my scale like 2 hours ago and ws 13 stones so i converted it online to kg and it ws 83kg.

I read your post, I just think you're full of bs. additionally if you were 145lbs benching 143lbs that would be sad, but now you say you're 180lbs benching 143lbs, which is downright pathetic, yet you think you need steroids . fix your diet and training mate.

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 10:27 PM

well not every1 is strong.... so what if i cant lift much.. not being rude but i will post pictures soon..then you can give me advice from there but thanks

**Big** · 10-02-2009, 10:29 PM

I'm done advising you, you won't listen anyway.

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 10:37 PM

f**k it, i train natural

and then when im benchin 90 for more reps and think i am gear ready and my diet is in order, i will reconsider. and will most likely take the gear in 6 months time or so. does the cypionate and deca have a expiry date on them?
thanks

**PC650** · 10-02-2009, 10:41 PM

wow now you at least have a brain , alot of kids here wont exept they arent ready for gear. they should have a exp date on them but if you just got them they will be fine 6months down the road. good luck

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 10:44 PM

thanks a lot mate and thanks guys for your time

good luck to you all

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 10:46 PM

one question mate, so i know this for the future, you say do 500mg a week... and 1ml is 200mg soo can i inject 500mg in 1 shot?. thanks

**PC650** · 10-02-2009, 10:53 PM

yes 1ml is 200mg, so do 1 1/4cc twice a week. monday and thursday.

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 10:55 PM

cant you put 500mg into one injection shot? and inject once weekly
thanks

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 11:11 PM

is that possible?

**Skippa** · 10-02-2009, 11:11 PM

Yes but its better to do it 2ce a week to keep blood levels more stable

Stop asking to be spoon feed and do some research bud. The information you seek is everywhere on this site.

I think you have made the right decision waiting.

Read EVERYTHING you can on this site inducing stickys and other posts.

In 6 months when your diet is good and you have put on more size you would have gained enough knowledge to make these decisions your self.

Hope the board has helped...

**Big** · 10-02-2009, 11:13 PM

I've been doing this a long, long time, if I were a betting man I'd bet anything I own that he starts this ill-fated cycle within a week.

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 11:14 PM

thanks mate, thanks to everyone who has helped me on this forum!! thanks once again

**KimboHalfSlice** · 10-02-2009, 11:15 PM

If you inject once per week then your testosterone level will peak and drop, it will be like a sine wave.

If you inject more frequently, you'll get a flatter, more stable testosterone level.

For my first cycle I took 1cc of Test E every 3 days, (each shot contained 250mg), and I made massive gains.

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 11:15 PM

LMAO it does cross my mind... but i think i see how it goes with my diet improved first but thanks bro

**trainhard981** · 10-02-2009, 11:17 PM

almond, did you take test e alone? and for how many weeks thanks.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 10-02-2009, 11:58 PM

I took Sustanon for 10 weeks, and then my supply ran out so I had to switch to Test E. I didn't take any other compounds.

I took Test for 14 weeks, 1 shot every 3 days, which was foolish. My balls shrank really really really small, and I'm lucky they bounced back so quickly.

12 weeks is a more sensible length of time. And of course then you need Clomiphene and Tamoxifen for Post Cycle Therapy afterwards.

**Shadman05** · 10-03-2009, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by trainhard981

f**k it, i train natural

and then when im benchin 90 for more reps and think i am gear ready and my diet is in order, i will reconsider. and will most likely take the gear in 6 months time or so. does the cypionate and deca have a expiry date on them?
thanks

Lol my bench was 465 lbs before I started aas!