PH vs. AAS- the great debate

**kas3379** · 10-14-2009, 02:32 PM

Ok guys, Ive heard alot of opinions, not sure where the truth lies. In the long run, which substance is worse for you, oral prohormones (4-AD, SUS500, etc.) or AAS?

(both with pct; for prohormones, most marketed pct's that novices buy with their PH are bullshit, so take that into account.)

**Big** · 10-14-2009, 02:38 PM

Imo most prohormones would be worse than the right steroids used properly.

**spywizard** · 10-14-2009, 02:50 PM

since pro hormones have been pulled.. it's no longer an issue..

**TITANIUM** · 10-14-2009, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by kas3379

Ok guys, Ive heard alot of opinions, not sure where the truth lies. In the long run, which substance is worse for you, oral prohormones (4-AD, SUS500, etc.) or AAS?

(both with pct; for prohormones, most marketed pct's that novices buy with their PH are bullshit, so take that into account.)

I will take BIG's position on that.

AAS , when run properly, are very safe to run.

Most prohormones can due more harm than AAS.IMO

I think that more damage is done to our body's by ingesting all that sh*t they put in foods.

I eat clean. Period.

Run cycles correctly.

Best

T

**gymnerd** · 10-14-2009, 06:53 PM

You can buy pharmaceutical grade AAS and know exactly what you are taking some of these suppleme3nt co. are pretty shady not regulated that much just another thing to consider

**Darksyde** · 10-14-2009, 07:28 PM

actually its not really a debate. most of us know ph's carry quite a few more side effects in general than most aas. not to mention having no long term studies on their lingering effects.

**J-Dogg** · 10-14-2009, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

You can buy pharmaceutical grade AAS and know exactly what you are taking some of these suppleme3nt co. are pretty shady not regulated that much just another thing to consider

I agree.

The FDA does nothing to the legitimacy of the contents of a OTC supplement. Everything in a proprietary blend is/could be junk or flour for all we know.

Someone has to die in order for the FDA to say they are unsafe.

Chances are, it's going to be junk, or it's something you have no idea how it will effect your body or how it functions.

Some change just a molecule from a A.S. but we don't know how what effects us.

That Tren one is scary, selling kids tren pills, kids that have no idea how it effects their body, half of them are going to end up with prolactin build up and be nursing puppies with some nice gyno.

**chitownhoker** · 10-14-2009, 10:25 PM

i don't know i did two ph cycles put on 12 the first one and 15 the second one and kept about 11 of it. No side effects, so wheather or not they work better, they worked for me very well.

**laduem88** · 10-14-2009, 11:29 PM

yea i feel people on here under estimate some of the ph's out..like m-drol, epi, tren xtreme. IMO i feel the reason some people complain about the sides is bc they dont run it with test.

**chitownhoker** · 10-15-2009, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by laduem88

yea i feel people on here under estimate some of the ph's out..like m-drol, epi, tren xtreme. IMO i feel the reason some people complain about the sides is bc they dont run it with test.

very true, i mean i blew the **** up, the first was only a 4 weeks cycle of tren xtreme and omnevol and the second was a 6 week cycle of tren xtreme, sdrol and phera.

I did pct of nolva the first one and clomid the second one, and i didn't have ANY sides, now since everyone says the sides are much worse than aas that means i shouldn't have any sides while on my a minor 350mg/ week of test e that im on right now then right?

**Gaspari1255** · 10-15-2009, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Big

Imo most prohormones would be worse than the right steroids used properly.

I agree, but in return...some PHs are more powerful than AAS. Halodrol beats T-bol hands down, very similar compound also. And in my honest opinion 30mg of Superdrol crushes 50mg of Dbol .

**alpmaster** · 10-15-2009, 08:25 AM

They both shut you down so it's not really a matter of what is worse. However, hepatoxicity is a given with PHs and not with AAS, and if you can only run PHs for 4-6 weeks, and an injectable AAS for 12-16, which would you rather do?

**tbjake34** · 10-15-2009, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by ******

I agree, but in return...some PHs are more powerful than AAS. Halodrol beats T-bol hands down, very similar compound also. And in my honest opinion 30mg of Superdrol crushes 50mg of Dbol.

I disagree with this. H-drol would have to be ran at double maybe even triple the dose to see the same results you would on 60mg/tbol daily.. Not to mention you will be shut down harder and i guarantee you will have more sides. As far as superdrol being stronger than dbol , yes in some aspects but the sides by far out way the benefits. I had worse sides on superdrol then i ever had with any steroid , but thats just me. In the end phs do more damage than good, some of them give you results but i dont think the side effects are worth it IMO

**Gaspari1255** · 10-15-2009, 10:19 AM

H-Drol comes in 25mg caps where as T-bol comes in 10...So yeah you would be technically taking more than double the t-bol dose but it is cheaper.

**chitownhoker** · 10-15-2009, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

since pro hormones have been pulled.. it's no longer an issue..

this is not true, they haved banned some ph, but supplement companies keep coming out with new ones cuz it is not regulated by the fda

**laduem88** · 10-15-2009, 01:14 PM

as far as everyone talking about ph's and there sides...its like someone complaining about a tren only cycle and the sides they got. does that mean tren is bad? no it means you should have ran it with test! just my 2 cents