want some opinions

**goodlifting** · 11-02-2009, 03:27 AM

when it comes to olympic sports i am noticing that a ton of teams are getting busted by international testing agencies for doping and use of anabolics. many of these teams are European, Middle Eastern, and Asian teams.

i hardly ever hear of U.S. teams getting busted by international agencies for steroid use . this is because our national testing agencies are aggressive in keeping up with test levels in all athletes so it leaves little chance for the international agencies to bust the U.S. teams. i would know because i am a U.S weightlifting athlete.

the national testing agencies for the European, Middle Eastern, and Asian teams are obviously lax in their testing or maybe assisting their athletes gain access to the necessary drugs.

i'm hoping to figure out if this is true or what the opinions of other members from the countries in these regions are.

my opinion is that if the countries from these regions are having a ton of success in the olympics (when they don't get caught) why doesn't the U.S. get with the program. The U.S. hasn't medaled in weightlifting since the 60s.

I think steroids should be allowed in the olympics.

Just to clarify: i realize that olympic weightlifting is unpopular in the U.S. and that the pool of athletes is much smaller than that of the power countries like China. China has much greater chance of delivering a good team if they have more people who are interested in training for the sport.

But if these power countries are truly being tested for steroid use, the U.S. should at least be able to compete. for example, our number one male lifter lifted a total of 362kg at 85kg body weight. pretty impressive, right? he didn't even medal. he came in 8th overall. i've been training and hanging out with this dude for a couple of years and i know he hasn't touched gear.

just a curious mind asking for opinions on what you guys think.

**BJJ** · 11-02-2009, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by goodlifting

when it comes to olympic sports i am noticing that a ton of teams are getting busted by international testing agencies for doping and use of anabolics. many of these teams are European, Middle Eastern, and Asian teams.

i hardly ever hear of U.S. teams getting busted by international agencies for steroid use . this is because our national testing agencies are aggressive in keeping up with test levels in all athletes so it leaves little chance for the international agencies to bust the U.S. teams. i would know because i am a U.S weightlifting athlete.

the national testing agencies for the European, Middle Eastern, and Asian teams are obviously lax in their testing or maybe assisting their athletes gain access to the necessary drugs.

i'm hoping to figure out if this is true or what the opinions of other members from the countries in these regions are.

my opinion is that if the countries from these regions are having a ton of success in the olympics (when they don't get caught) why doesn't the U.S. get with the program. The U.S. hasn't medaled in weightlifting since the 60s.

I think steroids should be allowed in the olympics.

Just to clarify: i realize that olympic weightlifting is unpopular in the U.S. and that the pool of athletes is much smaller than that of the power countries like China. China has much greater chance of delivering a good team if they have more people who are interested in training for the sport.

But if these power countries are truly being tested for steroid use, the U.S. should at least be able to compete. for example, our number one male lifter lifted a total of 362kg at 85kg body weight. pretty impressive, right? he didn't even medal. he came in 8th overall. i've been training and hanging out with this dude for a couple of years and i know he hasn't touched gear.

just a curious mind asking for opinions on what you guys think.

I would like to see that one.

**Skippa** · 11-02-2009, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by goodlifting

I think steroids should be allowed in the olympics.

I disagree. Steroids are not for everyone. The olympics are designed to bring everyone together for a competition of equal status, "Natural" where only genetics, training and hard work will sort the best of the world in there event. It's the pinnacle of performance in human evolution.

**BJJ** · 11-02-2009, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Skippa

I disagree. Steroids are not for everyone. The olympics are designed to bring everyone together for a competition of equal status, "Natural" where only genetics, training and hard work will sort the best of the world in there event. It's the pinnacle of performance in human evolution.

I would say "will sort the best among those who had the possibility to become athletes".

**urs.grv** · 11-02-2009, 05:10 AM

hey..i want to know just got the surgery for gynecomastia and still there is pain in my nipples...can i start up with my exercies again its been 9 weeks off i got my surgery...and i am feeling lazy not working out...is it the time i should start up exercises ???

**Skippa** · 11-02-2009, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by urs.grv

hey..i want to know just got the surgery for gynecomastia and still there is pain in my nipples...can i start up with my exercies again its been 9 weeks off i got my surgery...and i am feeling lazy not working out...is it the time i should start up exercises ???

Please start you own thread

**Skippa** · 11-02-2009, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by BJJ

I would say "will sort the best among those who had the possibility to become athletes".

Yeah fair enough.

**goodlifting** · 11-02-2009, 10:37 AM

the fact stands that most of the elite level lifters have at least tried gear. if you want to be competitive you need to use.

***El Diablo*** · 11-02-2009, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by goodlifting

the fact stands that most of the elite level lifters have at least tried gear. if you want to be competitive you need to use.

The only way the olympics will be fair is if they legalise steroids across the board.. so everyone can be on equal terms

**TITANIUM** · 11-02-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by *El Diablo*

The only way the olympics will be fair is if they legalise steroids across the board.. so everyone can be on equal terms

It's true.^^^^

I concur

T

**Mooseman33** · 11-02-2009, 11:36 AM

^^^agreed...
it would also be safer, as these athletes will do ANYTHING to pass a test when they are dirty which only screws them up even worst...

**goodlifting** · 11-02-2009, 11:52 AM

i sometimes feel like dropping the idea of international competition and going underground to lift at the Arnold's once a year

**thai-lan** · 11-02-2009, 12:15 PM

stop bragging about your friend if he was good enough he would get himself a gold...

Ivan Stoitsov. Bulgarian Olympic weight lifter. Ivan Stoitsov totaled 368kg at 76,83kg at the Weight Lifting World Champs 2007. His 158kg Snatch & 205kg Clean & Jerk got him gold.

**thai-lan** · 11-02-2009, 12:32 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightl..._Men%27s_85_kg

this one is 85kg division

**goodlifting** · 11-02-2009, 02:09 PM

i aint posting on this forum to brag. i don't have time for that shit. i'm trying to get a discussion going on steroid use in olympic weightlifting because its a topic that gets little to no attention. i would appreciate any opinions that you have on what i'm talking but forget it if you think im a damn joke.

not to take a crap on your parade but 'ol ivan is 77kg lifter. he weighed in at 76.83kg when he totaled 368kg at worlds. i was talking to bulgarian lifters about their steroid use at a meet in sicily 2 summers ago. but thanks for your input.

**thai-lan** · 11-02-2009, 09:41 PM

im sure europe has some strick steroid policy as well... and steroids shouldnt be allowed in the olympics !!
and im sure there are loads of guys juicing up just like..

maybe your boy hasnt juiced up yet , maybe he has ... but he's young he was born in 1986 if im right. he has his time , with good training im sure he will make it there one day