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    Surrender2Me is offline New Member
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    What Do You Think?

    Here it is:

    Test Cypionate - 500mgs/week - 2 shots of 250mgs (Mon. & Thurs.)
    Deca -Durabolin - 300mgs/week - 2 shots of 150mgs (Mon. & Thurs.)
    (*Will be using same syringe to inject the Test and Deca.)
    Dbol - 30mgs/d

    Week 1-12 - Test Cypionate
    Week 1-10 - Deca-Durabolin
    Week 1-4 - Dbol

    Also, during my FULL cycle I will be running Armidex at 0.25mgs EOD. (*Will pump to 0.5mgs/EOD if needed)

    PCT:

    I will be running Armidex at 0.25mgs EOD up too my first day of PCT.

    PCT will commence 14 days after last shot of Test Cyp. Is as follows:

    Week 1 - clomid - 100/100/100/100/100/100/100
    nolvadex - 40/40/40/40/40/40/40

    Week 2-4 - clomid - 50/50/50/50/50/50/50
    nolvadex - 20/20/20/20/20/20/20
    DONE.

    - One Question. My source says too draw with 20g, but inject with a 25g 1"...says its less painful, and says its just as good if not better then others.

    Any suggestions???????????

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    Not familiar with your stats?

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    Surrender2Me is offline New Member
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    9%-10% give or take.
    First Cycle. - Thinking of scratching the Deca .
    Been doing research. Reading forums. Would say PCT knowledge is minimum to avg.
    4 yrs lifting. Doing high volume training none of this 1 rep max. Do 4 sets 10-12reps for compound exercises. Do 3 sets 8-10 reps for Isolation exercises. I switch up my routine every month to reduce plateau.. been working great for me.
    As for my diet. Trying to bulk to 210lbs...... i use weight gainers(I know some may not like this but it works for me) Eat about 5 meals per day with 2 shakes. About a 5000-6000 cal intake. Relatively clean diet. Meals mainly consist of chicken, fish, eggs, Red Meat... anything i can eat with protein. Also i do get my complex carbs and my ***** fats(the good stuff) monosaturated.

    I drink a lot of water. Alot.


    Hope that helped.
    Last edited by Surrender2Me; 11-06-2009 at 12:59 PM.

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    Everything seems to be on key for that cycle but what kind of cycle experience you got going into it? Your question about needles has me thinking this is your first cycle... If thats the case then you need to only run test at 500mg per week for 12 weeks along with your scheduled pct. But lets see those stats and that way we can get a better picture what were working with.

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    Most will recommend waiting till your at least 24.

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    Stats are above bro!. And i appreciate the advice but im going to go ahead and run, really do appreciate it though. thanks

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    Oh, I have ran a dbol only cycle before. Dont know if you would count that as a first cycle. Had no sides and no PCT. Gained about 15 lbs kept about 7-10 lbs.

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    Recommend you wait a few years......

    But I would say drop the Deca and Dbol , just run the Test and see how your body reacts to it. But again, you have high natural test levels right now as is, you dont need any extra.

    I bet with a new tweaked diet you will gain as much size as you would with a cycle, plus you will be at a natural peak, then cycle gains will be at their greatest.

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    Alright. Well i'm still going to run. Appreciate the advice though. I am going to drop the deca . As for the needle question, do you think drawing with a 20g and injecting with a 25g 1'' is a good idea? Also, if I drop the deca do you still think this is a good cycle?

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    Drop the Deca and the Dbol IMO. Just run the Test.

    As far as the pins go, most times I draw with a 22g, and then, depending on where I inject will determine the gauge and pin length.

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    Okay. Well I plan to inject in the glutes for the entire cycle. Top and to the right.

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    Your going to cycle no matter what, run test alone so any bad sides happen you know its the test. You will grow like a weed so save the deca when its harder to put on weight. Give it about 4 weeks before you start bitching about seeing no results, when they come you will be happy!

    25 gauge in my opinion is too small, the needles can break in you really easy and it takes forever to inject. Plus i shake like a crackhead already!! Try a 23g and rotate sides.

    The is my 2 cents... good luck bro.

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    23gauge 1 1/2 inch is good for glutes

    25g 1inch is good for quads and delts

    20 or 22g to draw the oil should be good

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    KK, I'm going to go ahead and draw with a 20g, change the needle to a 23g 1.5" to inject. Got the alcohol swabs, and hand sanitizer and bandages ....just waiting on the gear. I was thinking about doing a detailed log if anyone is interested. Again, my goal is 210 I could settle for 205 ha. I Appreciate all the advice, as a new member i'm very impressed with all the help i'm getting. Thanks again.

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    a log would be good

    best of luck

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    Another question... If I use a syringe to draw and inject. The next time can I use the same syringe as long as i change the needles to draw and inject?. Guess what im asking is should i change my syringe every time I inject or can I use the same one throughout

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    yes CHANGE the syringe every time. always use a new sterile one

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