My story... some advice please.

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 12:29 AM

Ok i have been reading the forums for a few weeks and want some advice...
im a 32 yr old mail, 5-7 158... Im sorry this is a bit of a long read but i want to give details, i figured worst case scenario nobody will reply.
However, it might make some noobs think twice before doing gear without researching it thoroughly so maybe it can have a purpose...

When i was in my early 20's after a couple of years of light gym , i was still just a pretty skinny kid that was not getting results, this was due to a lifestyle that in retrospect its no wonder i didnt ger results, and a total crap diet or lackthereof. Then i started getting signs of a beerbelly, and found myself newlysingle for the first time since high school, and long story short a friend of mine got relatively big in a short time, i inquired within and bim bam bum i was talked into doing juice without really knowing ANYTHING about it and just taking this kids word for it, who really had no idea what he was doing either i think.
I remember doing a couple of months of test/deca , i never got HUGE, again cause my lifestyle was not exactly an athlete's, however i def got major gains, something like from 149 i went up to 164 which for me at the time was just huge lol. No PCT, i was pulling major ass at the time, and then found myself in the unpleasant situation of limp dick a couple of times, lets just say at the WORST time possible. Months of embarassment and insecurity followed, but slowly i started getting my mojo back. However for the next few years i was on and off in the gym, my 164 turned into 165avg of just an out of shape bodu, i used to try all kinds of diets to try to get back to my skinny self, and i have to say, in retrospect... My sex drive was never the same as before. i got married, i would have sex with my girl not as much as i would have liked to but we banged, but in my head there was always a feeling that somehow my steroid use had affected my sex drive. I also started putting on weight, got up to 180 at one point, not quite FAT but very bloated looking, i wasnt even jerkin off and would sort of have to psych myself up into having sex with my girl unless i was completely bombed which made it a bit more effortless. I started being concerned about this and started thinking I had low testosterone , and that at some point i was going to have to go to a dr and deal with it. Fast forward, got divorced, newly single living in South Beach, started sort of working out, shed some weight, but my erections when with girls were just not right. Either weak or just not lasting. I believe this started being a psychological thing, this was just like a year ago. I got the courage to go to a Urologist, i walked in the place, the girls at the front desk asked me "what is the reason of your visit" and i was extremely embarassed and said " i want to discuss with him possibly low testosterone levels ", then they told me my insurance wouldnt cover this and i just walked out.
I went home and after a bit of internet searching i found an australian company that sold a topical testosterone cream and i figured id give it a try convinced low test was my problem, and it worked wonders but i felt like it was a very temporary thing that i was going to have to go to a doctor to fix.
I saw an ad in a local mag for Testosterone therapy and i scheduled an appt.
I went in to this dr s office and thought... hmmm something is kinda off about this place... Dr gave me a check up, asked some questions i told him about low libido, and his "assistant" kept asking me about my "training routine, what my training goals were etc". They explained to me that i would get a blood test and then they would figure out the appropriate treatment. I said "cool" took my blood test and teh guy told me my test levels showed in the 600-700 range. This kinda blew my mind cause i was expecting really low results and i thought, Great now they are not going to prescribe me anything. AU CONTRAIRE, they called me in, at this point the dr is completely out of the picture and im dealing with basically this guy that tells me that i can get most kind of steroid i want legally through prescription, he suggested a cycle of Test/winstrol , and i went along with it cause im not going to lie it sounded like what i needed. I thought, Hey , im going to do this, get ripped, my test levels will go up, i'll do proper PCT, and i'll be all fixed! Once again kind of dumb about the whole thing but i m not going to lie i felt like i found a legal source and scored....
I did about 2 months of win/test taking anazstrozole, then i did 30 days of just test, then coming off i kept taking anastrozole , did hcg and clom following the "dr assistants" dosage. I was told this was a pretty light cycle and that i would just lean out, i was already down to 155 before dr visit i shoudl mention, gained like 10lbs of muscle, felt AWESOME for the first time in years, started hitting the gym 3-4 times a week, things went pretty smooth. I finished my cycle in august, my sex drive never really dropped, until a few weeks ago i started getting some gyno symptoms and i have been taking letro for a week and now im sort of losing my libido, im hoping this is temporary but im about to switch back to anastrozole cause this letro is making me feel awful.

SO. Questions... Should i expect my sex drive to go back to what it was before the cycle, or can they actually be stabilized now???

I no longer trust this "dr" for anything except supplying me stuff, cause his advice on the letro was completely off compared to what i read in this forum.... Are these "legal steroid drs" a common thing???? BTW dont bother asking me for source cause i will not reply

Once im done with the letro this week i have a month supply of anastrozole, how long after im done with that shoudl i go in and get a blood test to get a real reading?

My main concern is my sex drive. I want to make sure i dotn compromise my libido, im going to get some cialis to get through this letro phase but im curious to know if anyone knows of anything i can do to level it out, or stabilize it so its that of a normal 32 year old???

And i should say, im now about 158 i look better then i ever have, i have been working out and im really tempted to do a new cycle next year (in a few months) but i want to do something safe i m really going more for a ripped look then meathead, whats something that will give me results without too many crazy sides?

SORRY about long rant some advice would be appreciated!

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 12:49 AM

1st question is what dose and how long were u taking letro?

sex drive and libido loss is common with letro...

sounds like you had a rebound effect after your pct. probably attributed to the hcg , my guess... it raises estrogen levels, hence why it is not suppose to be used as a pct, either on cycle or right before pct. pct should have consisted of nolva and clomid

the nolva would have stopped any estrogen from binding to the receptors! BUT this should not have happened hadnt you used hcg.... mad e a mistake gota learn from it, the best you can do at this point

what dose are u using the letro at now and when are u getting bloodwork?

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 12:50 AM

as for a future cycle, we ll sort that out after we sort this out

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 12:55 AM

This is what i mean, my "dr consultant" doesnt knwo what the dhgashglkahsgklahs he's talking about but i was following his lead without really questioning it...

He told me to take a quarter of a 2.5 pill of letro for 20 days and then switch to anastrozole. But i read Bino's gyno thread and a bunch more, and i decided to taper up to 2.5 till symptoms subsided. I paid $20 per 2.5 letro pill, and only had five. I bought liquid letro from AR-R , but unfortunately i stopped after second day of 2.5 cause it was KILLING my stomach, felt like an ulcer... So i finished the 2.5 pills, i took the last one today (been on 2.5 since friday or something) and im going to taper off with the liquid as of tomorrow and just have to deal with it and go to anastrozole... any thoughts?
I dont know when to get the blood test, im assuming i should do it after im done taking anastrozole no?

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 01:00 AM

i dont think u need to switch over to arimidex after the letro bro, just doesnt make sense to me at all. essentially they re both aromatose inhibitors, letro just being a lot stonger

how exactly is the gyno right now? can u describe what it looks like and feels like in your nipples?

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 01:02 AM

by the way 2.5mg is waaay too high, you could use .25-.5mg and it would be enough

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 01:06 AM

ok, the gyno:
its right behind my nipple and its not visible... If i squeeze my nipple it feels like maybe the diameter of a nickel/quarter
does not hurt but it is slightly sensitive.
It feels smaller and less sensitive then last week before i started letro.
Can i just try to take .5 tomorrow or shoudl i taper down?

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic

by the way 2.5mg is waaay too high, you could use .25-.5mg and it would be enough

damn. according to your dosage , what i was recommended is right... i was told a quarter of a 2.5 pill for 20 days...

but i read pretty much everywhere here taper up to 2.5 until symptoms go away

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 01:10 AM

how long have u been on the letro now?

yes .5 should be fine, how much longer u are on it will depend on your answer

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 01:14 AM

started last tuesday with a quarter up to 2.5 by the weekend

so a week

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 01:16 AM

gotcha, and u said things have gotten better..

well id give it another week or two. cialis might be a good idea, i mean to be honest i dont have experience with it, so u may want to wait on some more input on that

most important thing u need to do very soon is go get some blood work and check out all your hormonal levels and ofcourse liver, the works. this way u can see where everything is at and hopefully your natural test level has gone back up and near normal

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 01:20 AM

very soon means how long after i m done with the letro?
btw thanks for taking time to answer me

How much is a blood test out of curiosity? im pretty sure i got ripped off last time it cost me like $250

What do you ask for, just a hormonal blood test?

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 01:23 AM

another thing... like i said the liquid letro from AR-R was burning the shit out of my stomach. If this happens even at lower dosages, could i substitute for the arimidex ?

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 01:23 AM

man id say right after and maybe a month or so again. anything u can afford. as for cost depends, you know insurance differences and all that bs

http://www.anylabtestnow.com/Tests/M...ctid/2897.aspx

^^^see if you have one of these near you, much cheaper than what you paid

as for what u need checked, there is a sticky in the bloodwork forum

you re welcome man, good luck keep us posted

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 01:26 AM

right now, may as well stick with the letro. i mean ya adex could work too, its just gonna be diff considering the strength. most use letro for gyno reversal anyway

now next time u cycle, DEFINITELY use adex on cycle at .25-.5mg every other day leading up to the start of pct. then nolva and clomid for pct

if u use hcg , either all the way through cycle or towards the end and leading up to pct. make sure u stop the hcg about 5 days before start of pct

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 01:30 AM

Yessirrr... Next time im gonna be lot more prepared thanks to this board and peeps like you, i just want to make sure im not "compromised" before i start again

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 01:37 AM

most def. give it a few months, see where you re at and start planning your cycle when the time is right

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 01:40 AM

why would i get a blood test now that im on letro though, wouldnt it give me some off results?
and the letro is supposed to give an estrogen rebound thats why i was planning on taking arimidex after...

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 01:45 AM

you dont have to man, just a suggestion if you want to compare your levels now to what they will be in say a month or 2

it could give a rebound effect yes. we re hoping when you were on the nolva this cancelled this out and it prevented the gyno to further binding to the receptors. so now you re just knocking out excess estrogen

does that make sense to u?

**Kibble** · 11-18-2009, 01:51 AM

We need a sticky labeled "What happens when you are not prepared", and include all kinds of stories like this. Good luck with your libido bro

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic

you dont have to man, just a suggestion if you want to compare your levels now to what they will be in say a month or 2

it could give a rebound effect yes. we re hoping when you were on the nolva this cancelled this out and it prevented the gyno to further binding to the receptors. so now you re just knocking out excess estrogen

does that make sense to u?

Im prob going to do that, and obtain a copy of my pre cycle blood test...

I never took Nolva, just clom hcg and arimidex ...

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-18-2009, 02:05 AM

oh damn i misread that....

well if you re worried about the rebound effect then you could get your hands on nolva and run it these last couple weeks at 20mg. totally your choice though man

**asr77** · 11-18-2009, 02:10 AM

I already have the arimidex so i might roll with that...
thanks a lot chuckyT i'lll keep you posted hopefully i can stick with the letro , the stomach pains were pretty unbearable...