cardio on an empty stomach at 6am and igf???? what to expect

**sfour_tay** · 11-21-2009, 05:57 PM

ive been doing cardio for 30mins before i eat breakfast every morning before work for 5 days now and then lifting at lunch.

im going to start taking igf at 50 ius mon-fri x2 a day.

i will take my first shot after cardio around 8:00am and my next shot at 1 pm PWO.

i have herd that i may got hypo if i do alot of cardio on this stuff so what do i need to be carful of as far as pin timing and what i eat ???

i know i need to have a sugar drink around and i plan on using some creatine phsfogen that i have been using for a week or so.

let me know what you guys think and if i need ot change anything.

thanks
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**sfour_tay** · 11-22-2009, 11:49 AM

bump

**The Deuce** · 11-22-2009, 11:58 AM

I'll give you my personal opinion.. I think that IGF-1 is FAKE and does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL.. but again this is my opinion.. I consider it on the same level as Muscletech products and The AAS Equipoise ... JUNK !!

But if you think it's gonna work.. all the more power to you.. just don't be disappointed WHEN IT DOES NOTHING.

**LeroyB** · 11-22-2009, 12:00 PM

[QUOTE=The Deuce;4956424] The AAS Equipoise ... JUNK !!
/QUOTE]
This comment breaks my mind.

**sfour_tay** · 11-22-2009, 02:11 PM

really??? i have herd from guys who use hg and igf that igf is just faster.

what are the chances that the stuff you got was fake ?? not being snotty but unless we make the gear or see it come straight out of the lab dont we all have to trust that its real and theres a chance it could be fake.

all im worried about is going hypo. i want to know when its a risk and what precautions i can take.

thanks
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**redescalade100** · 11-22-2009, 06:36 PM

igf only works when ran with insulin , found this out after i ran it, 200 out the window

**Hazard** · 11-22-2009, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by LeroyB

This comment breaks my mind.

well..... it's not that far off actually..... IMO. EQ worked for hunger and vascularity...... muscle gains..... not so much.

Everyone is different tho and for some people..... it aparantly adds 45lbs of mass in 3 days.

I don't want to turn this into another EQ thread tho.....

Cramer..... I had no hypo issues using 40mcg's/day.....

~Haz~

**sfour_tay** · 11-22-2009, 07:53 PM

thanks bro!!

**diesel405** · 11-22-2009, 08:04 PM

Everyone is different. Best bet is to be prepaired. Take it from a slin user, i have gone hypo, BAD, and its spooky. Get yourself a blood glucose monitor. They are like 20 bucks for 50 tests at wal mart. Have orange juice on hand. If it drops, start drinking. I have tried glucose pills, however when i go hypo my mouth goes dry. Try swallowing those glucose tabs with a dry mouth. Dont work..

**firsttimer22** · 11-22-2009, 08:30 PM

first off....you dont want to be doing cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach...thats just asking your body to eat your muscle, which is a no no....at least get some protein in you low in carb so that not only will it kick start your metabolism, but it will also provide an energy source to be used to burn instead of your muscle. Your body is first going to try and burn carbs, and bc you dont have any in you its going to attack your glycogen and fat. The body is going to try and use up the gylcogen first, but when its in extreme low amounts, the only way to get to the storage of it is to eat through your muscle where it is found.

I recommend doing cardio after your work out or at night, after your workout is risky too however with the same reason for first thing in the moning, but its up to you. after your workout its been proven that your body releases GH and you will be able to burn fat more easily.

**diesel405** · 11-22-2009, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

first off....you dont want to be doing cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach...thats just asking your body to eat your muscle, which is a no no....at least get some protein in you low in carb so that not only will it kick start your metabolism, but it will also provide an energy source to be used to burn instead of your muscle. Your body is first going to try and burn carbs, and bc you dont have any in you its going to attack your glycogen and fat. The body is going to try and use up the gylcogen first, but when its in extreme low amounts, the only way to get to the storage of it is to eat through your muscle where it is found.

I recommend doing cardio after your work out or at night, after your workout is risky too however with the same reason for first thing in the moning, but its up to you. after your workout its been proven that your body releases GH and you will be able to burn fat more easily.

Morning is the best time to burn fat b4 eating. When sleeping you burn most of your glycogen, then when doing low intensity fat burn, aka krebs cycle, burns fat, not muscle.

**sfour_tay** · 11-22-2009, 09:32 PM

ill try eating one of my low carb bars before work out.

now if i do my igf shot after cardio, do i still have to be as carful ???

**james21** · 11-22-2009, 09:36 PM

I ran it at 40mcg a day.... never went hypo no matter what the situation was. I don't think its a big worry with igflr3. There is a whole forum for HGH IGF .. you can try searching that.

**El Corvino** · 11-22-2009, 09:37 PM

I know a bunch of MMA guys that take IGF by itself and have gotten great results

**sfour_tay** · 11-22-2009, 09:40 PM

i posted up in the growth forum with no luck.

ill be running it at 50mcg 5 days on 2 off.

James, how did you like running it at 40?? how long did you un it and how often did you shoot, and when did you shoot it ?

**firsttimer22** · 11-22-2009, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by diesel405

Morning is the best time to burn fat b4 eating. When sleeping you burn most of your glycogen, then when doing low intensity fat burn, aka krebs cycle, burns fat, not muscle.

how do u figure, the body cannot magically burn fat and fat only without sacrifisying muscle, in this case alot of it because he has no calorie intake in the morning. even a low intesity cardio workout will yield muscle diminishing results without any food!!! Not to mention, studies have been done to prove that running first thing in the morning is not the best time. It falls number 3 on top ten

**BJJ** · 11-23-2009, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

how do u figure, the body cannot magically burn fat and fat only without sacrifisying muscle, in this case alot of it because he has no calorie intake in the morning. even a low intesity cardio workout will yield muscle diminishing results without any food!!! Not to mention, studies have been done to prove that running first thing in the morning is not the best time. It falls number 3 on top ten

Can you show one of those study?

**workoutfreak078** · 11-23-2009, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

Not to mention, studies have been done to prove that running first thing in the morning is not the best time. It falls number 3 on top ten

I call complete bullcrap on that. It is well known that low-intensity cardio, first thing in the morning on a high incline, is the single best way to burn fat naturally without sacrificing muscle. Even if you are right, and it is listed as number three in the top ten, how is cardio first thing in the morning not a great thing to do?

Show me the study where it says it is not a good idea to do, because I can show you a ton that say it is.

I can almost bet you are taking advice from a top 10 list in a Muscle Fitness magazine. If that is the case, don't bother posting the article.

**Hazard** · 11-23-2009, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

how do u figure, the body cannot magically burn fat and fat only without sacrifisying muscle, in this case alot of it because he has no calorie intake in the morning. even a low intesity cardio workout will yield muscle diminishing results without any food!!! Not to mention, studies have been done to prove that running first thing in the morning is not the best time. It falls number 3 on top ten

I, also, would like to see those studies..... please...... elighten me.

~Haz~

**sfour_tay** · 11-23-2009, 10:13 AM

Is half hour cardio at pulse rate between 130-140 ok?

I've been using the elipitical but maybe I'll try out this isteady incline idea. Sounds good.

**sfour_tay** · 11-23-2009, 10:17 AM

Also is this whole empty stomach cardio thing a bad idea no matter how you do the cardio?

**diesel405** · 11-23-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by CRAMER

Is half hour cardio at pulse rate between 130-140 ok?

I've been using the elipitical but maybe I'll try out this isteady incline idea. Sounds good.

Your heart rate should be 220- age then x.60 (intensity) = heart rate
so say your 25
220
-25

=195
x.60
=117
60- 65% intensity you want for frat burn

**diesel405** · 11-23-2009, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by CRAMER

Also is this whole empty stomach cardio thing a bad idea no matter how you do the cardio?

Its not a bad idea at all. Dont listen to that kid, he has no idea wtf he's talking about.

**sfour_tay** · 11-23-2009, 12:17 PM

Great. Thanks bro.

**dec11** · 11-23-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by diesel405

Your heart rate should be 220- age then x.60 (intensity) = heart rate
so say your 25
220
-25

=195
x.60
=117
60- 65% intensity you want for frat burn

guys the low intensity thing is simply not true, 117bpm will do nothing for him at all, its just too little. interval training is where it is at. and the body will only turn to muscle tissue for energy at the very last, ie malnutrition

**dec11** · 11-23-2009, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by CRAMER

Is half hour cardio at pulse rate between 130-140 ok?

I've been using the elipitical but maybe I'll try out this isteady incline idea. Sounds good.

go intervals, 140-170

**sfour_tay** · 11-23-2009, 12:44 PM

When you say intervals, do you mean bring it up to 140 for 10 mins then let it drop and then back up again?

**dec11** · 11-23-2009, 12:48 PM

yeah but not as long a 10mins per interval, as i dont knw your fitness levels its hard to set it out for u. an example would be 2mins steady 1-2mins medium to tough, if your aerobically quite fit go for 2mins steady and 5 mins tough. this would b appropriate for someone who's muscle building

**elpropiotorvic** · 11-23-2009, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

how do u figure, the body cannot magically burn fat and fat only without sacrifisying muscle, in this case alot of it because he has no calorie intake in the morning. even a low intesity cardio workout will yield muscle diminishing results without any food!!! Not to mention, studies have been done to prove that running first thing in the morning is not the best time. It falls number 3 on top ten

I think I have one that proves the opposite but I'd like to see yours

**toothache** · 11-23-2009, 01:01 PM

Wouldn't it be a good idea to drink a protein shake before the morning workout?

**diesel405** · 11-23-2009, 01:02 PM

Low Intensity Cardio Workout Approach

Low intensity cardio is the most popular form of cardio and is pushed by many personal trainers. Low intensity cardio works at targeting body fat and that is why it is recommended by many personal trainers. University studies have proven low intensity cardio uses fat calories instead of burning muscle carbohydrate calories for energy. If the body burns fat for energy, you will lose body fat. It just makes sense. It is important to choose cardio machines that can track your heart rate. It will let you monitor your heart rate during your cardio workout to allow you to hit the ideal intensity level. After about 10 minutes or so, you should be close to reaching your ideal heart rate. Staying within that target heart rate for at least 30 minutes is what is recommended by most experts.

The High Intensity Cardio Workout

This is a less utilized form of cardio. High intensity training involves pushing past your pain threshold a bit, so fewer people choose this route. This cardio method can give great results in burning body fat if done properly. The total calories burned in high intensity cardio are greater than low intensity cardio. Some of those calories come from your body fat and some come from glycogen (carbohydrates stores within your muscles). When you burn more calories in your cardio workout than what you consume, you create a calorie deficit. If you burn a more calories during the day than what you eat in food, you will lose weight.

The Limitations of the 2 Types of Cardio Workouts

Once you get your heart rate up to the correct level, the low intensity cardio workout will burn body fat. The downside is that it can take up to 10 minutes to get your heart rate to the correct level to burn body fat. The first 10 minutes of this cardio workout are somewhat unproductive. High intensity cardio is hard to maintain for long periods of time since it takes a lot of effort. Working at an intense level for over 10-15 minutes is extremely difficult.

How to Combine The Two Approaches Into One Awesome Cardio Workout

When performed in a certain manner, it is possible to benefit from doing both types of cardio in the same workout. You can make the first ten minutes of the low intensity cardio workout productive, by starting your cardio workout off at a high intensity level. Find a treadmill or exercise bike and set it at a high level. Push yourself really hard for 10-15 minutes. Once you are really working up a sweat, switch to a low intensity and keep it there for 20-30 minutes. This will burn calories and create a calorie deficit as well as burning body fat during the workout. I maintain an 8% body fat percentage year round using this cardio approach.

**elpropiotorvic** · 11-23-2009, 01:04 PM

Just get some BCAA's for before during and after it has sparing properties

**big_k** · 11-23-2009, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by diesel405

Low Intensity Cardio Workout Approach

Low intensity cardio is the most popular form of cardio and is pushed by many personal trainers. Low intensity cardio works at targeting body fat and that is why it is recommended by many personal trainers. University studies have proven low intensity cardio uses fat calories instead of burning muscle carbohydrate calories for energy. If the body burns fat for energy, you will lose body fat. It just makes sense. It is important to choose cardio machines that can track your heart rate. It will let you monitor your heart rate during your cardio workout to allow you to hit the ideal intensity level. After about 10 minutes or so, you should be close to reaching your ideal heart rate. Staying within that target heart rate for at least 30 minutes is what is recommended by most experts.

The High Intensity Cardio Workout

This is a less utilized form of cardio. High intensity training involves pushing past your pain threshold a bit, so fewer people choose this route. This cardio method can give great results in burning body fat if done properly. The total calories burned in high intensity cardio are greater than low intensity cardio. Some of those calories come from your body fat and some come from glycogen (carbohydrates stores within your muscles). When you burn more calories in your cardio workout than what you consume, you create a calorie deficit. If you burn a more calories during the day than what you eat in food, you will lose weight.

The Limitations of the 2 Types of Cardio Workouts

Once you get your heart rate up to the correct level, the low intensity cardio workout will burn body fat. The downside is that it can take up to 10 minutes to get your heart rate to the correct level to burn body fat. The first 10 minutes of this cardio workout are somewhat unproductive. High intensity cardio is hard to maintain for long periods of time since it takes a lot of effort. Working at an intense level for over 10-15 minutes is extremely difficult.

How to Combine The Two Approaches Into One Awesome Cardio Workout

When performed in a certain manner, it is possible to benefit from doing both types of cardio in the same workout. You can make the first ten minutes of the low intensity cardio workout productive, by starting your cardio workout off at a high intensity level. Find a treadmill or exercise bike and set it at a high level. Push yourself really hard for 10-15 minutes. Once you are really working up a sweat, switch to a low intensity and keep it there for 20-30 minutes. This will burn calories and create a calorie deficit as well as burning body fat during the workout. I maintain an 8% body fat percentage year round using this cardio approach.

One thing that is often forgotten is with HIIT or HIT is EPOC (Excess Post-exercise Oxygen Consumption), this is when your body is trying to balance back to normal and is using more fuel after working out (some from bodyfat) to reach it.

Personally right now I am doing LISS (Low Intensity Steady State), with long bouts since I am doing low carbs. I usually cut better with low carbs, but I am considering switching over to carbs so that I can really crank it on the High Intensity Cardio, besides boring myself less; my heart gets more of a benefit.

For those interested in doing some reading, this guy is pretty legit, and backs up everything he says with studies. He basically states the positive and negatives of both High Intensity and Low Intensity exercise, and he more or less dispels Fasted Cardio.

http://alanaragon.com/myths-under-th...ed-cardio.html

**dec11** · 11-23-2009, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by diesel405

Low Intensity Cardio Workout Approach

Low intensity cardio is the most popular form of cardio and is pushed by many personal trainers. Low intensity cardio works at targeting body fat and that is why it is recommended by many personal trainers. University studies have proven low intensity cardio uses fat calories instead of burning muscle carbohydrate calories for energy. If the body burns fat for energy, you will lose body fat. It just makes sense. It is important to choose cardio machines that can track your heart rate. It will let you monitor your heart rate during your cardio workout to allow you to hit the ideal intensity level. After about 10 minutes or so, you should be close to reaching your ideal heart rate. Staying within that target heart rate for at least 30 minutes is what is recommended by most experts.

The High Intensity Cardio Workout

This is a less utilized form of cardio. High intensity training involves pushing past your pain threshold a bit, so fewer people choose this route. This cardio method can give great results in burning body fat if done properly. The total calories burned in high intensity cardio are greater than low intensity cardio. Some of those calories come from your body fat and some come from glycogen (carbohydrates stores within your muscles). When you burn more calories in your cardio workout than what you consume, you create a calorie deficit. If you burn a more calories during the day than what you eat in food, you will lose weight.

The Limitations of the 2 Types of Cardio Workouts

Once you get your heart rate up to the correct level, the low intensity cardio workout will burn body fat. The downside is that it can take up to 10 minutes to get your heart rate to the correct level to burn body fat. The first 10 minutes of this cardio workout are somewhat unproductive. High intensity cardio is hard to maintain for long periods of time since it takes a lot of effort. Working at an intense level for over 10-15 minutes is extremely difficult.

How to Combine The Two Approaches Into One Awesome Cardio Workout

When performed in a certain manner, it is possible to benefit from doing both types of cardio in the same workout. You can make the first ten minutes of the low intensity cardio workout productive, by starting your cardio workout off at a high intensity level. Find a treadmill or exercise bike and set it at a high level. Push yourself really hard for 10-15 minutes. Once you are really working up a sweat, switch to a low intensity and keep it there for 20-30 minutes. This will burn calories and create a calorie deficit as well as burning body fat during the workout. I maintain an 8% body fat percentage year round using this cardio approach.

this is intervals, and the intervals can be broken down as opposed to big blocks

**firsttimer22** · 11-23-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by diesel405

Its not a bad idea at all. Dont listen to that kid, he has no idea wtf he's talking about.

ok first i do know wtf im talking about, second, you do have good points but being real, cardio on an empty stomach is not good, he at least needs some sort of protein in him to kick start his metab. comming off an 8 hour sleep.

im not saying cardio first thing in the morning is a bad time to do it, shit, i do it all the time in the morning, im just stating that there are other good times to do it other than the morning

**dec11** · 11-23-2009, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

ok first i do know wtf im talking about, second, you do have good points but being real, cardio on an empty stomach is not good, he at least needs some sort of protein in him to kick start his metab. comming off an 8 hour sleep.

im not saying cardio first thing in the morning is a bad time to do it, shit, i do it all the time in the morning, im just stating that there are other good times to do it other than the morning

protein wont kickstart his metabolisim, however, cardio 1st thing will, you've a bit of learning to do

**elpropiotorvic** · 11-23-2009, 03:34 PM

*sighs* take it easy guys....

but firsttimer22 i do want to see those studies

**sfour_tay** · 11-23-2009, 03:55 PM

I do eat at least once or twice in the middle of the night.

**big_k** · 11-23-2009, 04:21 PM

Subjects completed a 2-hr cycling bout, and ingested the carb solution at 30, 60, and 90 minutes in. In the low-intensity treatment, fat oxidation was not reduced below fasted-state control group’s levels until 80-90 min of exercise. In the 68% group, no difference in fat oxidation was seen whether subjects were fasted or fed throughout the trial.

Further supporting the evidence in favor of fed cardio in trained men, Febbraio’s team investigated the effects of carb ingestion pre & during training in easily one of the best-designed trials on this topic. Subjects exercised for 2 hrs at an intensity level of 63% VO2 max, which is now known as the point of maximal fat oxidation during exercise. Result? Pre & during-training carbs increased performance - and there was no difference in total fat oxidation between the fasted and fed subjects. Despite the elevated insulin levels in the carb-fueled groups, there was no difference in fat availability or fat utilization.

Febbraio MA, et al. Effects of carbohydrate ingestion before and during exercise on glucose kinetics and exercise performance. J Appl Physiol. 2000 Dec;89(6):2220-6.