Enanthate vs Propionate

[BJJ]

I'm not a prop fan at all..... All the prop i'v had has hurt..... and I don't want to get more and try it without knowing it's going to be painless.....

Basically, you are saying the problem with prop might be the pain associated, right?

I don't hold water on enanthate .... never have. I guess i'm lucky in that sense..... Also..... I shoot my enanthate 3 times per week when I stack other compounds because of the ammount of oil the muscle can hold. I do remember hearing the most effective way to keep blood levels stabl is to use a long esther and inject it more frequently..... I.E. Enanthate every day.

I did not know, either read anywhere, it is possible to shoot enanthate every day. So, in this way the spikes will be reduced?

~Haz~

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[BJJ]

Upper outer quad..... usually is A OKAY. *knocks on wood* - I have an injection today..... LOL

~Haz~

What do you mean exactly? is it a bad place for you to inject?

[Swifto]

I like Test Prop a lot. I'm actually on 50mg/EOD now, conducting a small experiment.

Test Prop and short esters will aromotase less, cause less of a spike in DHT and suppress the HPTA less, than long esters of the same parent hormone. It can only be said for compounds that aromotase, can convert to DHT and are esterfied though.

Thats why many hold less on Test Prop over Test Enan/Cyp.

I rotate right shoulder, quad, glute. Left shoulder, quad, glute.

[workoutfreak078]

...So?

He was asking why you didn't just take an anti-estrogen to reduce bloat. I assumed you didn't want to take it because it hinders gains. That is where my response came from.

[slimy]

Prop is a crap shoot at best. Not that it works or doesn't work. It's whether or not it's "pain free". Cause if it's not, it sucks bad. This stuff can be VERY painful.

Most prop is listed at a 100 mg/ml. It would take about three bottles of the stuff to complete an eight week cycle. Let's say the day after your first injection, you realize that the stuff you have isn't as "pain free" as the guy who sold it to you said it was. Now, you have to make a decision. Do I live with the pain ( it doesn't get any better) and complete the cycle? Or do I start popping nolvadex and try to get rid of the remaining bottles to that annoying guy at the gym? You will not like not being able to sit down, let alone train martial arts if it is not 'pain free'.

There is NO painful enanathate or cyponate. To me, being able to move comfortably is WAY more important than a little water retention.

[cvictorg]

Do you mean the first three weeks only?

No I mean 3x/week for the length of the cycle - stop the EQ 2 weeks before the end od the cycle - continue with the prop - then start the pct

[Swifto]

Prop is a crap shoot at best. Not that it works or doesn't work. It's whether or not it's "pain free". Cause if it's not, it sucks bad. This stuff can be VERY painful.

Most prop is listed at a 100 mg/ml. It would take about three bottles of the stuff to complete an eight week cycle. Let's say the day after your first injection, you realize that the stuff you have isn't as "pain free" as the guy who sold it to you said it was. Now, you have to make a decision. Do I live with the pain ( it doesn't get any better) and complete the cycle? Or do I start popping nolvadex and try to get rid of the remaining bottles to that annoying guy at the gym? You will not like not being able to sit down, let alone train martial arts if it is not 'pain free'.

There is NO painful enanathate or cyponate. To me, being able to move comfortably is WAY more important than a little water retention.

If your Test Prop is EO based, you wont experience any pain at all.

If you do, cut it with steirle GSO. Thats worked for me in the past.

But now I make my own and its painless at 100mg/ml.

[BJJ]

He was asking why you didn't just take an anti-estrogen to reduce bloat. I assumed you didn't want to take it because it hinders gains. That is where my response came from.

No I mean 3x/week for the length of the cycle - stop the EQ 2 weeks before the end od the cycle - continue with the prop - then start the pct

Gotta 'ya both

[BJJ]

I like Test Prop a lot. I'm actually on 50mg/EOD now, conducting a small experiment.

Test Prop and short esters will aromotase less, cause less of a spike in DHT and suppress the HPTA less, than long esters of the same parent hormone. It can only be said for compounds that aromotase, can convert to DHT and are esterfied though.

Thats why many hold less on Test Prop over Test Enan/Cyp.

I rotate right shoulder, quad, glute. Left shoulder, quad, glute.

May I know which one?

[BJJ]

Prop is a crap shoot at best. Not that it works or doesn't work. It's whether or not it's "pain free". Cause if it's not, it sucks bad. This stuff can be VERY painful.

Most prop is listed at a 100 mg/ml. It would take about three bottles of the stuff to complete an eight week cycle. Let's say the day after your first injection, you realize that the stuff you have isn't as "pain free" as the guy who sold it to you said it was. Now, you have to make a decision. Do I live with the pain ( it doesn't get any better) and complete the cycle? Or do I start popping nolvadex and try to get rid of the remaining bottles to that annoying guy at the gym? You will not like not being able to sit down, let alone train martial arts if it is not 'pain free'.

There is NO painful enanathate or cyponate. To me, being able to move comfortably is WAY more important than a little water retention.

If the water retention is little I agree but if it is not how do I roll or achieve a mortal jump?

[cvictorg]

If the water retention is little I agree but if it is not how do I roll or achieve a mortal jump?

The prop I used was dosed at 200mg/ml - take 1ml of prop + 1ml of eq in the same shot - I think that the people who say prop is painful are injecting it solo - just my opinion.

[Swifto]

May I know which one?

I'm just experimenting with low doses of Testosterone to see which trigger acne in myself as I'm prone beyond belief!

[Hazard]

I'm just experimenting with low doses of Testosterone to see which trigger acne in myself as I'm prone beyond belief!

Can you PM me your findings? I know it'll be personal to you but i'd just like to know.....

This go around i'm running 750mg's test E and 600mg's Tren E..... i've added 1 more injection to the week and i'm 5 weeks in w/ no acne. Last cycle was Test E only - two injections per week and I was riddled with it.....

~Haz~

[Hazard]

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Right..... the pain from prop is my only qualm. I can't say I love injecting everyday either but I can work through that.....

Regarding the frequent long esther injections: I remember reading someplace on here that for the most stable blood levels - one would inject a long esther EOD or ED - I can't seem to find it at the moment but if I run across it I will PM it to you if you want.

~Haz~

[BJJ]

Right..... the pain from prop is my only qualm. I can't say I love injecting everyday either but I can work through that.....

Regarding the frequent long esther injections: I remember reading someplace on here that for the most stable blood levels - one would inject a long esther EOD or ED - I can't seem to find it at the moment but if I run across it I will PM it to you if you want.

~Haz~

That would be great, thank you.

[BJJ]

The prop I used was dosed at 200mg/ml - take 1ml of prop + 1ml of eq in the same shot - I think that the people who say prop is painful are injecting it solo - just my opinion.

Same shot?
Isn't that a little risky for bacteriums?

[cvictorg]

Same shot?
Isn't that a little risky for bacteriums?

Take the syringe - put an 18 gauge needle on - load up 1ml of prop - change to an new 18 gauge needle - same syringe - load up with 1ml of eq - change to a 21 gauge needle - inject

I don't see the problem with bacterium that way.

[slimy]

If your Test Prop is EO based, you wont experience any pain at all.

If you do, cut it with steirle GSO. Thats worked for me in the past.

But now I make my own and its painless at 100mg/ml.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is GSO?

And if that works, BJJ and anybody wanted to try a prop cycle should get a couple bottles of this GSO stuff just to have on hand.

Not to beat a dead horse, but prop pain sucks. If the GSO can take care of the pain, then get those needles ready boys. Short Esters and daily injections here we come!!

[BJJ]

Take the syringe - put an 18 gauge needle on - load up 1ml of prop - change to an new 18 gauge needle - same syringe - load up with 1ml of eq - change to a 21 gauge needle - inject

I don't see the problem with bacterium that way.

Thank you.

[Critical Mass]

12,7mm is the biggest insulin syringe. Half an inch long-for painless injections into bis and tris etc.

[urbanbody]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is GSO?

And if that works, BJJ and anybody wanted to try a prop cycle should get a couple bottles of this GSO stuff just to have on hand.

Not to beat a dead horse, but prop pain sucks. If the GSO can take care of the pain, then get those needles ready boys. Short Esters and daily injections here we come!!

You can mix EO for the pain. I make my own and it doesn't hurt at all!!!

[Big]

How do you manage the sites of the injections?
Shooting ed should make you like an emmenthal cheese! no?

I was thinking myself to shoot mostly on my legs which are always covered during my either rollings and work-outs.
What would you suggest by your own experience?

I just use a lot of injection sites so I'm not hitting the same spot very often.

[RANA]

I just use a lot of injection sites so I'm not hitting the same spot very often.

I agree^^^, I hit one spot per week. I stay away from quads with prop.

[michael tyson]

I'm just experimenting with low doses of Testosterone to see which trigger acne in myself as I'm prone beyond belief!

are you against using accutane? You can find it fairly cheap and it works wonders. May want to throw in some liver support though as I do.

[J-Dogg]

My last cycle was Test Prop and Mast Prop together.

The only thing I did not like about it was not really the frequent injections, but the amount of oil I had to inject.

I was doing EOD injections.

I wanted to run about 500mgs of each so I was injecting 1.5ml of each EOD.

I could not really inject 3ML into anything but my glutes or quads.

I would try 1.5ml of each into each calve, but it made it hard to walk the next day.

I like prop, but the convenience of using Test E makes it hard for me to decide what I would like to use regularly.

It would not be as bad if I get some 200mg/ml though.

I added Tbol to the cycle also. But I was certainly more dry on prop.

Previously I've used Test E with EQ and I actually liked EQ. The only thing is it made my blood pressure pretty high.

[BJJ]

I agree^^^, I hit one spot per week. I stay away from quads with prop.

Why is that?

[BJJ]

My last cycle was Test Prop and Mast Prop together.

The only thing I did not like about it was not really the frequent injections, but the amount of oil I had to inject.

I was doing EOD injections.

I wanted to run about 500mgs of each so I was injecting 1.5ml of each EOD.

I could not really inject 3ML into anything but my glutes or quads.

I would try 1.5ml of each into each calve, but it made it hard to walk the next day.

I like prop, but the convenience of using Test E makes it hard for me to decide what I would like to use regularly.

It would not be as bad if I get some 200mg/ml though.

I added Tbol to the cycle also. But I was certainly more dry on prop.

Previously I've used Test E with EQ and I actually liked EQ. The only thing is it made my blood pressure pretty high.

What is the deal with that?
Also, what test do you find better the most?

[Hard.On]

For all of you who inject every single Day:

Do you use the same syringe and change the needle tip everytime?
Or do you do the process of drawing from the bottle every single time?

[BJJ]

For all of you who inject every single Day:

Do you use the same syringe and change the needle tip everytime?
Or do you do the process of drawing from the bottle every single time?

I would do the second option if you mean using a new syringe every day.

[in2shape]

arimidex (at low dose wont deminish gains , again only run if needed )

drink lots of water

watch sodium levels as it makes u hold water

good diet

cardio

id go enanthate less injects , painless, following the above youll be fine imo

[in2shape]

oh and id just run 21g-23g 1 and a half inch for im injections - standard

[RANA]

Why is that?

I don't walk normal for 3-4 days so I just stay away from them

[hot stuff]

I would suggest 200mg prop and 200mg eq 3x/week

no water bloat + increased endurance

Two weeks into this exact cycle and I love it! Yes, I have used Enanthate before, but I like this cycle better. I shoot EOD with no problems. The effects are almost immediate (from the prop.) and no side problems. Very controllable.

[gymnerd]

I for sure would do test e HG and have some adex or aromasin on hand in case you bloat low dose AI will not hinder gains really at all IMO. The reasons why is HG test prop is few and far in between and expensive, HG test E is everywhere at a damn good price, If you have nopt done injections yet the amount of oil you will have to inject and the pain you are likely to get from UGL prop will not be a good experience at all. Its simple if you bloat on test e just hit the ai low dose reduce sodium more and up the water.

[urbanbody]

For all of you who inject every single Day:

Do you use the same syringe and change the needle tip everytime?
Or do you do the process of drawing from the bottle every single time?

Only inject every single day when using short ester that needs it. And no on the same syringe as they are only about 3 cents each.

[Big]

For all of you who inject every single Day:

Do you use the same syringe and change the needle tip everytime?
Or do you do the process of drawing from the bottle every single time?

no, definitely use a new syringe each time.

[terraj]

Prop pain is the next day after shooting.

Try a hard massage of the area afterward. Get the shit moving....

I also think it helps to warm it up before shooting.

[terraj]

Oh yeah...as the boys said already.

ED for prop

[BJJ]

Good points either from those who go for test en and from those who go for test prop.

So, I am confused now!
My next cycle will be in March 2010 so I will have enough time to make up my mind, I would say.

Thanks to all who replied to my thread.

[urbanbody]

Goodluck!!