ok basically i wanted to know exactly how long would some of you reccommend to do smaller or weaker cycles (you know the 500 test 30mg dbol approach) before upping it to something a bit heavier if you wanted to be a competitive bodybuilder and even advance on to being a pro?

At what point do the pros say ok, now its time to really hit it and get some serious size? is it a natural progression or do these guys come to a particular stage where they realise its time to up the dosage?

Cheers for all help on this.