My first cycle ever, PLEASE GIVE INSIGHT!!

[Subotai]

Thats not your diet. You may think you eat that much but you don't. Its simple science, if you ate that many calories a day for a sustained period of time you would weigh more than you do. You may have hit that once or twice in your life, or you may think 5oz of meat is actually 8oz, but thats not what you eat on a day to day basis

Your body does not defy science.

[Cali_kid90]

yeah all you people who say ive never worked out,
well i have.
im sorry i havnt been juiced out of my mind for years like you guys.

i appreciate the people who are being nice and looking out for me and my health,
but to the people talking s**t then can f**k off.
I work out every day, and i eat everything in my site,
i get no results. And if i do it once that doesnt mean i wont ever be able to get off wtf?
I dont have an addictive personality, i just want one cycle to put me where ide like to be then build off of that.
I take every precaution if i were to take the equi bolix,
o.m.e.g.a.s 3, 6, 9, estrogen blocker, liver support like milk thistle and a solid multi vitamin.
testosterone booster to counter the production of estrogen in my pct.

I have a lot more knowledge than anybody on here is giving me credit for,
i used to work at GNC and i know all my workout supps, vitamins, everything.

I know what to d to keep my body healthy,
even if the pro hormones are bad for me,
i wont be stupid about them like most people are.

So like i said,
i thank all the people for actually caring and giving me insight,
but those who are just talkin sht your opinions dont mean anything.

Thanks

[PistolStarta]

Testosterone counters estrogen?

[chuckt12345]

yeah all you people who say ive never worked out,
well i have.
im sorry i havnt been juiced out of my mind for years like you guys.

i appreciate the people who are being nice and looking out for me and my health,
but to the people talking s**t then can f**k off.
I work out every day, and i eat everything in my site,
i get no results. And if i do it once that doesnt mean i wont ever be able to get off wtf?
I dont have an addictive personality, i just want one cycle to put me where ide like to be then build off of that.
I take every precaution if i were to take the equi bolix,
o.m.e.g.a.s 3, 6, 9, estrogen blocker, liver support like milk thistle.
testosterone booster to counter the production of estrogen in my pct.

I have a lot more knowledge than anybody on here is giving me credit for,
i used to work at GNC and i know all my workout supps, vitamins, everything.

I know what to d to keep my body healthy,
even if the pro hormones are bad for me,
i wont be stupid about them like most people are.

So like i said,
i thank all the people for actually caring and giving me insight,
but those who are just talkin sht your opinions dont mean anything.

Thanks

Cali,, if you stick to that diet you posted for a few months you will start seeing results

[dec11]

Lateral Raises (2 sets, 8-10 reps) upright rows (3 sets 8-10reps) = Traps

lateral raises for traps?! wise up

[Quo]

CaliKid, honestly, I hope you will not put that stuff in your body. I understand how frustrated you must feel with your lack of progress.

But, it's obvious to me that you have in fact put some research into this "cycle" you are considering. Have you also put an equal amount of research into the right lifts and right foods you should be doing to gain mass naturally? The fact that you asked what lifts to do to gain mass suggests you have not.

Build your program around the big 3 - deadlifts, bench, squats. Do a search on the 5x5 program. That worked wonders for me when I was first starting out. Dude, I am telling you, I was a flabby blob that couldn't bench 145lbs when I first started working out. And I put on probably a good 20 pounds of muscle naturally in my first 2 - 3 years. I probably spent as much time reading as I did at the gym in those days!

Keep at it, kid. But that short cut isn't gonna take you anywhere good.

[dec11]

as ive told you, i was small and have made it to big naturally. no reason you cant

[El Corvino]

My friend who is a steroid nut case and looks like a very unstable man actually gave me the best advise one time.

He said your better off waiting and doing the real stuff than doing some rushed over the counter stuff that will be banned shortly.

Why? When it comes to real AAS, its been around longer and you know the possible sides and how to prevent it.

That over the counter stuff is rushed to the market and then shortly banned. There is no long term research and there is no knowing the long term effects.

That said, every kid your size says "I can't get bigger no matter what i eat". My boy was 23 yrs old, 6 foot and 135. He ate the same way I did and in 3 months he hit 153. I wouldn't do it my friend. My brother is cursed to be my opposite (he is skinny as a rail naturally and I'm a big dude naturally) and I won't let him touch anything aside from creatine, no explode, and protein.

[Cali_kid90]

Testosterone counters estrogen?

no i meant to say the estrogen blocker supresses the estrogen,
and the test balances out your testosterone levels after taking a cycle of pro hormones. so youre test level doesnt drop to zero and thats when people get gyno and limp D..k

[dec11]

lets round this up, are you going to listen or not????????

[vaders4]

It's obvious this kid doesn't want to hear the truth. He wants someone to say "yeah man your body defies physics, you can't gain weight unless you do a cycle".

Dude, I was 6ft tall 150lbs. Had like.. 14" arms, now my forearms are bigger than my biceps used to be. ALL NATURAL WITH NO STEROIDS .

Do what you wish, there's a reason everyone is telling you the same thing - because we're right and don't want to see some 19 year old mess up his entire endocrine system.

Good luck man.

[Hard.On]

yeah all you people who say ive never worked out,
well i have.
im sorry i havnt been juiced out of my mind for years like you guys.

i appreciate the people who are being nice and looking out for me and my health,
but to the people talking s**t then can f**k off.
I work out every day, and i eat everything in my site,
i get no results. And if i do it once that doesnt mean i wont ever be able to get off wtf?
I dont have an addictive personality, i just want one cycle to put me where ide like to be then build off of that.
I take every precaution if i were to take the equi bolix,
o.m.e.g.a.s 3, 6, 9, estrogen blocker, liver support like milk thistle and a solid multi vitamin.
testosterone booster to counter the production of estrogen in my pct.

I have a lot more knowledge than anybody on here is giving me credit for,
i used to work at GNC and i know all my workout supps, vitamins, everything.

I know what to d to keep my body healthy,
even if the pro hormones are bad for me,
i wont be stupid about them like most people are.

So like i said,
i thank all the people for actually caring and giving me insight,
but those who are just talkin sht your opinions dont mean anything.

Thanks

Don't worry guys he worked at the GNC he knows more then us

[ottomaddox]

Are you aware of what's going to happen to your lipid values after an oral cycle? Everybody has to start somewhere, I started at 6'3"@ 155lbs. Ouch! The first year I worked out, started at age 21, I gained 25lbs. It was a lot of eating and I was sick to my stomach from all the food but eventually in my late 20's was able to break the 200lb mark. I never touched any steroids / Pro-hormones until I was in my mid to late 30's which led to my complete shutdown. Be very carefull since your endocrine system doesn't fully develop untill about 25 years old. Food for thought......

[Cali_kid90]

Don't worry guys he worked at the GNC he knows more then us

haha another guy whos just gonna talk shit.
i never said i knew more i said i wasnt a dumb ass like everyone is making me sound.
I know how to take care of myself.
Why do you think i came here for insight before i took it?

Suck my d i c k f a g g o t.

Idc what you have to say.

And as far as the guy before him, no,
you guys convinced me not to. And im glad i came to this place before i took it,
because from the sounds of it, that prohormone would have messed me up pretty bad.
So thanks everyone for your concern. Its much appreciated.

but to everybody other than them,

[neverenuff21]

Beter calm down bro, theres alot of good knowledge on this board for thr future(if you eventually decide to do it anyway) but they're gonna boot you for that 'tude. Only trying to help.

[Quo]

And as far as the guy before him, no,
you guys convinced me not to. And im glad i came to this place before i took it,
because from the sounds of it, that prohormone would have messed me up pretty bad.
So thanks everyone for your concern. Its much appreciated.

Good man.

Did you look up the 5x5 program like I told you to? I think you'll really like the results of that. If you can't find any info on it, tell me and I will help you out.

And don't forget to get your diet down tight. In fact, you might do with a little 4 week gorge. I never put on strength like when I did that. About a year in, there was this 4 week period when I gorged. It was horrible. I was eating insane amounts of food. A couple of steaks, couple cans of tuna, some donuts, cottage cheese, a gallon of milk everyday, and more. Sheer calories and lots of protein. In my case, I got pretty fat doing that, but my strength went through the roof and I also put on some good muscle mass, too. It was like a mini-cycle. With your body type, you might see some of those results you are looking for.

[barnyap]

this kid has a big attitude problem, too much agression on forums not enough in training by the looks of the pics....

[gonzo6183]

All I can say is LISTEN TO THESE GUYS, they know what they are talking about. I came on site looking to jump straight onto my first cycle (and im 29) but after some good advice I listened and spent the next 8 months in the diet forum learning how to eat and looking around to find the best way to workout. Compound exercises are your best bet but DIET is the key, i used to think I was eating well and enough but I WAS WRONG and learnt that here. Check out my results after 8 months of good diet and training, I went from 140lb to 170lb and still havent started my first cycle (yet lol)

Before and After (course = Diet)

Good luck Bro, work hard

Gonzo

[chuckt12345]

this kid has a big attitude problem, too much agression on forums not enough in training by the looks of the pics....

not really,, hes taken our advice about not running the PH and still people come on here raggin on him after the fact. Id respond the same way too.

[Cali_kid90]

thanks for all the support guys. Well,
to those helping and looking out at least.

but yeah im gonna do the 5x5 program. ive heard of it before but never tried it,
well its probably ime lol.

Also i might do P90x?
idk but my cousin actually got BIG like hiw back ishuge! and he just looks all around bigger, his shoulders are wider as well.

So whats a good diet then?

[MotoLifter]

head over to the diet section and read up. maybe post your diet and ask for some critiques on it. there are some diet geniuses over there, they can steer ya on the right path. Glad to hear you decided to skip the PHs. Most people are lookin out for ya even if they dont go about it well.

Keep at it bro, you'll get there.


Moto

[SunHangDo]

ummm, thanks for calling me a little shit.
And i have a bad attitude?

and my stats before were,

18, 5'6" 112-120 lbs im sick of working my ass off and getting nothing back.

I used to take creatine and protein too and see little results. I discovered that I wasn't really working out properly. When i changed the way I lifted weights, I began to grow.

The main thing I discovered was that it's important to lift until failure. Muscles grow after they are ripped, and the most ripping occurs during that last one or two lifts that you can just baaaaarely do. It's hard as hell, but it works.

Ask some of the guys here about how they lift, and what muscles they focus on each week. You might find that you simply aren't working out properly in order to gain muscle mass. And you might find that you aren't eating the right foods either.

Another thing to consider is that you probably have an incredibly high metabolism. My younger brother is really skinny, far skinnier than you, and this guy eat TONS of food, and mostly garbage food. He eats tons of cheese, tons of pizza, burritos, processed foods, chips, bacon, ect, but he never gains a single pound.

Talk to some of the guys about what foods to eat so your body will be more inclined to put on muscle gain. Try to outline your basic daily meals, and see if they can pinpoint if and where you're going wrong.

[adam15425]

Wow, I dont know where to start addressing the issues here. Steven, you are only 19 years old, have been training for only a year, and probably don't have a solid diet. Listen to all the guys here. No one is going to give you any bad advice or information here. Don't take those prohormones. In my honest opinion you just need to focus mainly on your diet and your workout regime.

[Quo]

The main thing I discovered was that it's important to lift until failure. Muscles grow after they are ripped, and the most ripping occurs during that last one or two lifts that you can just baaaaarely do. It's hard as hell, but it works.

Mmmm not sure how I feel about this one - a lot of stuff I've read suggests that going to failure on each and every set is actually counterproductive. It's also asking for an injury. I know as soon as I *stopped* going to failure on each and every set, my gains increased. In fact I probably only go to failure once twice per workout now.

Some guys swear by it, but, I dunno...

[Cali_kid90]

thanks for all of the advice guys. much appreciated =]

[6ft5]

I usually go to failure and then drop set the muscles I'm laggin or want to grow. Work for more of a pump in other execises.

[Lift-Eat-Repeat]

Taking a test booster after your "cycle" will not help get your levels back to normal, if it were to work like real aas basically your body is going to freak out because now there is more test than normal, so it stops making test for itself, when you come off your "cycle" you are no longer putting test into your body and your body is no longer making it, so now adding more test to the mix is only prolonging the inevitable having to stop and having no test in your body. From what I know thats how it basically works with aas, as for a PH I have no idea how your body will react to it but that is why you wouldn't do more test after a cycle, you would run pct to get your body naturally making its test on its own again. Hope this helps, and this is a really dumbed down version of what goes on, there is alot more to it than that but I figure you would understand this better.

[diorets96]

Juicing will not help you bro. Get some lifting/Nutrition experience first.

[FFAllen123]

So you guys are saying dont deal this product at all or this guy is just to young cuz i was getting ready to do a month on equi bolix extreme my bro gave it to me to make so gains im 23 180 and have been working out since i was 19

[the big 1]

this is my first cycle of anything ever.

Ive taken proteins and creatine NO shit like that.

the pills ill be taking are Equi bolix XTreme.
Its a prohormone and its compounds are.

epistate
2a 3a epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol 15 mg per serving, 1 capsule per serving, 3 capsules per day

Boldenone
1, 4-androstadiene-, 17-dione 50 mg per serving, 1 capsule per serving, capsules per day

that was all in one capsule ill be taking three times per day.
i will also be taking an estrogen blocker called estrofuse.
Both the products ill be taking are from exclusive pharmaceutical.
I was just trying to get some opinions.

I will also be taking protein shakes and glutamine pills.. Maybe N.O. Explode or naNO Vaporwith it. possibly even creatine.

i was also wondering how many calories i should be eating per day,
along with what to eat and what not to eat.

Im 19, i weigh 148 lbs and im 5'7"
My goal weight is to be a solid 165-170

should i stack another product with the equi bolix?
i was thinking about superdrol stacked with it, or just a test booster from GNC.

Or should i just do that as it is?
I hear the first cycle you take you see the most gains on, so i want to get as much gains as i can the first time around.
Thanks for the input guys, ill post a pictue of myself and the pills ill be taking.

Thanks,
Steven

do you even train with weights ? i have to ask because i cant tell...

[asto_86]

Already made up his mind, the OP has.... end well, this will not.

OP: "I am not afraid!"

AR: "You will be.... you will be..."


Good luck kid

[nombie]

k i still dont see how its funny?

and basically what you guys are saying is not to do it?

im not going t get gyno or any low testasterone levels,
because ill be taking an estrogen blocker during my cycle,
then a test booster after my cycle to gain my natural tes back.

And to the guy who doesnt sell to under 21,
ive been working out for a year now,
eating the best i can taking protein and good supps,
and im tired of being scronny.

You have only been working out for a year and you want to use pro hormones.

What have you gained in that year working out? What is you diet and training like. Why dont post your diet and training so we can see where you are going wrong.

What estrogen blocker did you plan on using?? Why the hell are you using them P.H for your first cycle? Why not Test for 10 weeks which is proven and safer!!!

[not so slim]

Im pissed I just read this whole thread and its 7 months old the kid will never be on here again!!! WTF??

[asto_86]

awe damn it ffallen you dipstick! lol, I read the whole thing too and didnt even realize it.

[...aydn...]

this thread honestly makes my blood boil.
Stupid ****ing kid might as well go **** up his hormones. Stupid idiot coming on here with no respect to any of these powerful compounds..

lolllll you think you little shitty estro blocker will help bahahahaha wait until your nuts shrivel up and never drop back down. get gyno, and can't get a boner when the time comes. which it probs never will because you will be so deppressed and unsociable and would never be able even to hold a decent positive conversation.
No respect to training or diet.
Honestly the best thing you could do would be getting a personal trainer at your gym and getting him to give you a program and diet advice....

wait might as well not even said that as you wont take any advice on here anyways.

[seriouscardio]

You are 19... And been working out for a year... Listen homes, I'm 6'1" and when I was 19 years old I was under 140lbs. So I worked in a Mexican restaurant, started lifting and by the time I was 23 I was up to 205 and incline pressing 115's. And the kicker, I only took Protein and Creatine, Diligently. At this stage your body grows.

I've been working out for over 12 years and am 32 years old now. I can't get any bigger since, due to age, I've reached my gorwth potential, so for the first time in my life, I am going to look into Strong Supplements.

All this "been working out for one year" stuff is tiresome. As if that's a long time.

Are you in College? Worry about that. Tired of being scrawny? Take Myai Thai and get yourself some confidence.

Bottom line. The gentlemen on this site seem very honest and very experienced. Listen to them.

[MrGreen]

He logged in 7-20-10


Cali dont get discouraged and never quit. Different people respond to training differently and at different rates. If you can afford to get a trainer and have him draw up a correct diet for YOU. Once you start eating right and training with someone who can guide you to different methods that will result in gains you can work off that.

[MACHINE5150]

lol trena 'bolix'

Trena "Bollocks" hahahaha