Real Deal vs Prohormones

**mad103** · 01-21-2010, 05:17 PM

Ive taken prohormoes like Tren and Mass by AC Labs before and got good results. However, they are now banned and considered steroids . My question is, should I stick to prohormones or actually try the real stuff. I have stuck to the prohormones because 1. they are cheaper and 2. because they are not as intense on the body. I want to gain some good bulk and am wondering what would be a good bang for your buck that would have the least amount of side affects. Being that there are so many types of steroids , I do not even know where to start. Advice please

**E Police 183** · 01-21-2010, 05:25 PM

Obviously your gonna need to wait and do a lot more research before you even think about jumping into AAS. What are your stats? Age/BF/LBS/Training exp/HT/Diet?

**mad103** · 01-21-2010, 05:42 PM

I am 25 6'1 210lbs with 3-4 years training. I had about 16% bf, but took a break over the winter, due to a dislocated should...so that changed sure enough. My diet consist of 8-10 egg white, 2 cups oatmeal, 8-10 oz chicken, 8 oz brown rice, some fruits and veg with about 120g of protein from shakes and some creatine for preworkout. I have experience at the gym but definitely new to this stuff so I definitely need some research help, which is why i am here. I have done some online research but feel more comfortable learning about it here through you guys.

**Little Herc** · 01-21-2010, 06:06 PM

Decent stats. Way to much protein for from shakes. If u have a couple of years of Good Diet and training in and your 25+ I say go for it. Make sure you know what your doing.

**CaliPhotog** · 01-21-2010, 08:22 PM

I am not going to suggest that you start using AAS, however you are incorrect about the prohirmones being easier in the body. From personal experience I can tell you that they are definatly harsher on your system than Test. I have tried many many different prohormones and I got more sides from them that I ever did Test. The results came faster from PH but the Test felt much better and allowed a better recovery and also made it easier to keep gains. I will NEVER touch PH again. Also, PHs actually ARE steroids .

**laduem88** · 01-21-2010, 08:47 PM

people tend to under estimate Ph's because of how there legal but honestly they are no joke and actually harder on the body then the majority of AAS

**gymnerd** · 01-21-2010, 08:51 PM

Yeah, do a bunch of reaserch before you make any decisions but I think you will discover that alot of "real" AAS are actually easier on the body than those legal steroids that are very harsh in some cases. Just be sure to do your homework first.

**laduem88** · 01-21-2010, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

Yeah, do a bunch of reaserch before you make any decisions but I think you will discover that alot of "real" AAS are actually easier on the body than those legal steroids that are very harsh in some cases. Just be sure to do your homework first.

exactly dont let that pretty label fool you

**ben13** · 01-22-2010, 10:19 AM

If anyone under 25 was set on running a cycle, would it be better to run test or take PHs. I'm aware that many younger guys just take PHs while they're young thinking its safer..

**RANA** · 01-22-2010, 10:22 AM

I agree with what most have stated above, PH can be extremely harsh on your body.

**FranciscoG** · 01-22-2010, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by ben13

If anyone under 25 was set on running a cycle, would it be better to run test or take PHs. I'm aware that many younger guys just take PHs while they're young thinking its safer..

Neither.

**mad103** · 01-22-2010, 12:00 PM

I am aware that PH are now considered steroids and that they are more harsh than AAS. To be honest, I have only done about 2-3 cycles of it and have stuck with it only because I have heard that AAS are much more expensive, and the fact that I can not walk into your average store and buy them nor do I know anything about them. Can someone suggest a good one and give a brief on how they work and how to take them (dosage, PCT, etc). Or what other type of AAS is good? Preferrably pill form. Or can someone guide me to where I can get more info. Like I said, I have browsed the web tons, but being that there are a million websites it is hard to tell from legit info to phoney info. PM me, if you want.

**stack_it** · 01-22-2010, 01:16 PM

For a first cycle most recommend test e. Nobody here will suggest an oral only cycle like you asked for. Test e would be ran at 500mg per week for 10 weeks. Some will say 8 and some 12 but 10 is all you need imo. Pct would start 19 days after last injection and a basic nolva clomid pct would be fine.

**RANA** · 01-22-2010, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by stack_it

For a first cycle most recommend test e. Nobody here will suggest an oral only cycle like you asked for. Test e would be ran at 500mg per week for 10 weeks. Some will say 8 and some 12 but 10 is all you need imo. Pct would start 19 days after last injection and a basic nolva clomid pct would be fine.

No actually PCT starts 14 days after your last injection

**mad103** · 01-25-2010, 12:30 AM

So this is an injection type? Is there a reason why oral cycle can not be taken? Where can you buy, what is the dosage and where do you inject? Lastly, how does it compare to a tren and mass combo from acl?

**anabolic1979** · 01-25-2010, 12:55 AM

wow actually some pro h are worse for u than actual steroids . i wouldnt waste my time or money on them but thats me. as far as cost goes it depends on ur connections its cheaper for me to buy real anabolics.

**laduem88** · 01-25-2010, 01:54 AM

some of the ph's make great kick starts to cycle or attentions. I like havoc a lot and highly recommend anyone getting some if they need to add an oral in a cycle. It gives you dry lean gains without any sides (atleast i didnt get any sides)

**mad103** · 01-26-2010, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by anabolic1979

wow actually some pro h are worse for u than actual steroids. i wouldnt waste my time or money on them but thats me. as far as cost goes it depends on ur connections its cheaper for me to buy real anabolics.

is your connection personal/local or can you recommend?

**mad103** · 01-26-2010, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by laduem88

some of the ph's make great kick starts to cycle or attentions. I like havoc a lot and highly recommend anyone getting some if they need to add an oral in a cycle. It gives you dry lean gains without any sides (atleast i didnt get any sides)

can you give me more info on havoc bro?

**mad103** · 01-28-2010, 02:59 PM

bump

**thane222** · 01-28-2010, 06:08 PM

I would not mess with any prohormones, I would go with test only for a first cycle, and get real pct chems like clomid and nolva, i think that would be much better than a ph cycle.

**mad103** · 01-28-2010, 06:25 PM

Thanks Thane. Where would it be best to buy this and how is this consumed? Oral or injection?

**Kibble** · 01-28-2010, 07:04 PM

Do not ask where to buy steroids . You will get PMs from individuals who want to take your money and run. Once you research a proper cycle, and understand it inside and out, you will eventually fall onto a source. Best thing to do now is read.

People do not research because they are lazy. Bottom line. There is an overwhelming amount of information out there, so start small.... one compound at a time

**corsa5000** · 01-28-2010, 07:43 PM

you will need to inject the test, and you will have to find yourself someone who can supply you with gear but its against the rules to ask for that here

**mad103** · 02-02-2010, 02:01 PM

Will AAS provide better and sooner results that ph?

**"DIRTY D" SANCHEZ** · 02-02-2010, 03:13 PM

Probably not faster, but the results will be more steady, longer lasting if done right with the right pct, and it is better for your liver in most cases. And the results for me were a little better because the pro hormones are just mild doses added with supplements sometimes. Some of them were just straight chemical compound until this recent crack down on them.

There is a section on this site that will be very helpful for you, its the profile section and it will cover almost every aas that most people come across and give in depth info on the chemical makeup and what they do, along with the side affects and all the good stuff. I figure by the time you read through them and study which one is for you (more than likely just test e at first) and then decide to start asking trustworthy associates, you will be ready to take this bull by the horns bro1

good luck,

"dirty d"

**Teufel_Hunden** · 02-02-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by E Police 183

Obviously your gonna need to wait and do a lot more research before you even think about jumping into AAS. What are your stats? Age/BF/LBS/Training exp/HT/Diet?

He said that he has already used a few different Pro Hormones, which we all know those are basically real steroids , so there is no sense in telling him not to jump into it, cuz he already has. I do agree though, you can never do enough research.

**bjohnson1968** · 02-02-2010, 03:57 PM

I agree with doing a little research its gonna be hard to do aas if he doesnt even know how to inject. prohormones I've experienced have given me bad sides from gyno to testicle shrinkage. I think best for you to follow dirty d's advice

**nakota2k** · 02-02-2010, 04:41 PM

What if all I can do is an oral cycle, I go to Iraq next month and it just wont be feasible to do injections safely. Is havoc/epistane the most potent otc ph?

**"DIRTY D" SANCHEZ** · 02-02-2010, 04:48 PM

Well, it is going to be harder on your liver, but they have an oral test, there's winni, dbol , anavar , anadrol , and lots others.

The big problem is that in one month it is going to be hard for you to come across orals like test in my exp... I've actually never even seen it. But i have used a liquid oral dbol from a lab that was testing it so it comes and goes. Also do you feel that a month is long enough to research these chemicals and make a good judgment call as to what if any you want to use? You probably do considering you've basically done them at low dose, but in one month, can you get your hands on the gear you want, pct chems, and everything to watch and prevent or stop gyno before you leave? You don't want to be in that desert taking these without everything you will need man.

I say if you can find the orals you want and the pct, and the gyno prevention then you may as well go for it since you pretty much have. But make sure you have everything you will need and be safe man.

*how long will you be gone? (have you considered waiting til you get back to research and get your sources in line then starting)

good luck,

"dirty d"

**mad103** · 02-02-2010, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by "DIRTY D" SANCHEZ

Probably not faster, but the results will be more steady, longer lasting if done right with the right pct, and it is better for your liver in most cases. And the results for me were a little better because the pro hormones are just mild doses added with supplements sometimes. Some of them were just straight chemical compound until this recent crack down on them.

There is a section on this site that will be very helpful for you, its the profile section and it will cover almost every aas that most people come across and give in depth info on the chemical makeup and what they do, along with the side affects and all the good stuff. I figure by the time you read through them and study which one is for you (more than likely just test e at first) and then decide to start asking trustworthy associates, you will be ready to take this bull by the horns bro1

good luck,

"dirty d"

Dirty D, thanks man. I already came up on that section and read lots ha. That is how I narrowed it to Test E. It is where I saw that they usually do Test E combo with other compounds. So I figured to start asking here.

Originally Posted by Teufel_Hunden

He said that he has already used a few different Pro Hormones, which we all know those are basically real steroids, so there is no sense in telling him not to jump into it, cuz he already has. I do agree though, you can never do enough research.

Definitely not looking to jump into it. I definitely want straight solid answers before touching anything.

Originally Posted by bjohnson1968

I agree with doing a little research its gonna be hard to do aas if he doesnt even know how to inject. prohormones I've experienced have given me bad sides from gyno to testicle shrinkage. I think best for you to follow dirty d's advice

+1 no idea on how to inject which is why I am now here asking stuff. But I have spent a good amount of time on doing research, reading lots BUT no hands on experience.

**dec11** · 02-02-2010, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by nakota2k

What if all I can do is an oral cycle, I go to Iraq next month and it just wont be feasible to do injections safely. Is havoc/epistane the most potent otc ph?

if thts you in tht avatar, you could do with eating alot more

**NMacFar** · 02-02-2010, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by nakota2k

What if all I can do is an oral cycle, I go to Iraq next month and it just wont be feasible to do injections safely. Is havoc/epistane the most potent otc ph?

I wouldnt take anything for this reason... all of these drugs, PH's or AAS are going to raise your blood pressure and dehydrate you. You are going to be dressed in full gear in a desert while on a cycle? Maybe it's just me but I would hold off, honestly bro. I wish you the best of luck and thank you for serving!!!!!!!!!!!!