Your opinions on my situation

**jbran23** · 02-21-2010, 09:44 PM

So Im planning on running my first cycle of AAS (12 weeks Test E) in the fairly near future. I am a bit concerned because of the fact that I already have a case of gyno and want to take all precations to keep it from worsening. I believe I have had a slight case since puberty and intensified it with a prior cycle of Spawn.

I have tried to run a gyno reversal plan using Nolva suggested to me from Warmachine to no avail. My question is should I try running letro as a last ditch attempt to rid myself of the gyno before I run my cycle or are the chances of it working at this point so low that I shouldnt bother? Money is kind of an issue as well so I dont want to waste it if you dont think its worth it plus I have heard Letro can be very harsh on the body and dont want to run it unnecessarily.

Looking for anyone with similar experiences and how it turned out for them. Also anyone who can share their experiences with cycling with an already existing case of gyno-i.e what you have done/used while "on" and what has worked for you, what not to do, what to look for and so on.

**Juice Authority** · 02-21-2010, 11:22 PM

I'm confused. What caused your gyno if not AAS? You said this 'will be' your first cycle, correct? Is this left over from puberty? What is Spawn? Anyway, if you already have gyno and it hasn't gone away then it won't. Surgery is your only option.

**Kibble** · 02-22-2010, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Juice Authority

I'm confused. What caused your gyno if not AAS? You said this 'will be' your first cycle, correct? Is this left over from puberty? What is Spawn? Anyway, if you already have gyno and it hasn't gone away then it won't. Surgery is your only option.

Some people get gyno during puberty. Spawn in a pro-hormone. Epistane and Trenadrol. A very effective pro-hormone/pro-steroid .

OP, are you sure it is gyno and not just extra fat? Honestly, if you already have gyno, I doubt that AAS will make it better. Start saving for surgery IMO

**bjpennnn** · 02-22-2010, 01:30 AM

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**jbran23** · 02-22-2010, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Juice Authority

I'm confused. What caused your gyno if not AAS? You said this 'will be' your first cycle, correct? Is this left over from puberty? What is Spawn? Anyway, if you already have gyno and it hasn't gone away then it won't. Surgery is your only option.

I believe I had a slight touch since puberty and it was made worse from using the PH Spawn. I have heard alot of people say a reversal works and also alot say surgery is the only way. Just want to hear some first hand experiences.

**jbran23** · 02-22-2010, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by BigKuntry1984

Some people get gyno during puberty. Spawn in a pro-hormone. Epistane and Trenadrol. A very effective pro-hormone/pro-steroid .

OP, are you sure it is gyno and not just extra fat? Honestly, if you already have gyno, I doubt that AAS will make it better. Start saving for surgery IMO

Its both- fat and enlargement of the glands behind the nipples. The right nipple worse than the left. I know AAS wont make it better, I am just looking for techniques to use to keep it from progressing and getting worse when doing a cycle if at all possible.

**jbran23** · 02-22-2010, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

Age: ?
Height: ?
Weight: ?
BF%: ?
Cycle Exp: ?
PCT Knowledge: ?
Training Exp: ?
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30 y.o.
5'11"
186lbs
12-14% est.
AAS-none. PH and Andro in the past
Have done alot of reading
Off and on for 7 years, on steady for the last 2-3.
Diet is good, not perfect but good.

**bjohnson1968** · 02-22-2010, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by jbran23

I believe I had a slight touch since puberty and it was made worse from using the PH Spawn.

I'll tell you those damn prohormones All you here is bad side effects and yet kids just buy them over the internet thinking they are there (kids) magic pill

People not just kids need to relly get an understanding of how powerful these substances really are

(I'm done venting)

Peace Bro and good luck

**Juice Authority** · 02-22-2010, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by jbran23

I believe I had a slight touch since puberty and it was made worse from using the PH Spawn. I have heard alot of people say a reversal works and also alot say surgery is the only way. Just want to hear some first hand experiences.

I have that. You know if it's gyno. Fatty tissue and gyno are 2 different things. Gyno, when fully formed, is a hard knot and very distinguishable from fatty tissue. If letro didn't knock it out then it's there to stay and cycling will just make it worse.

Contrary to what others have said, if the gyno has formed cycling will 'bring it out' more, which is a good thing. You're surgery bound anyway so the more they can remove the better. I know plenty of Bros that have had gyno surgically removed only to come back later because the surgeon wasn’t able to remove the entire gland. In one case, the surgeon actually told my buddy (true story) to continue using AAS to purposely aggravate the gyno (make it bigger) so it would be easier to remove the entire gland and the roots.

**Juice Authority** · 02-22-2010, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by bjohnson1968

I'll tell you those damn prohormones All you here is bad side effects and yet kids just buy them over the internet thinking they are there (kids) magic pill

People not just kids need to relly get an understanding of how powerful these substances really are

(I'm done venting)

Peace Bro and good luck

I hear you on that. Nearly all the gyno cases I hear of have their roots in PHs. Sure, PHs work but they're designer drugs. They haven't been evaluated by the FDA or studied in a clinical trial. Anyone willing to use PHs should be just as open-minded to AAS. There is no age limit for PHs either. High school kids can buy them OTC, or at least the ones that haven't been banned yet but then these companies just change a molecule or two and launch another PH that hasn't been evaluated. IMHO, PHs are far more danergous than AAS.

**bjohnson1968** · 02-22-2010, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Juice Authority

I hear you on that. Nearly all the gyno cases I hear of have their roots in PHs. Sure, PHs work but they're designer drugs. They haven't been evaluated by the FDA or studied in a clinical trial. Anyone willing to use PHs should be just as open-minded to AAS. There is no age limit for PHs either. High school kids can buy them OTC, or at least the ones that haven't been banned yet but then these companies just change a molecule or two and launch another PH that hasn't been evaluated. IMHO, PHs are far more danergous than AAS.

x10 Bro i just vented like crazy in another thread and another prohormone
Hell you can still get the banned ones from the net as well if you know what you're doing trust me I got an 18 yr old

Peace

**Hard.On** · 02-22-2010, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by bjohnson1968

x10 Bro i just vented like crazy in another thread and another prohormone
Hell you can still get the banned ones from the net as well if you know what you're doing trust me I got an 18 yr old

Peace

PH's again.. Before you do a cycle I would try to get rid of what gyno you have again.
If this does not work you will need to prob run some adex on your cycle. Probly a higher dose of it as well/
Do more research on what AI's you should have on hand in case you get more gyno/ I have never had it so I am not 100% on what additional things you'll need.

The last thing I would want is to develop gyno/ Take every precaution you can

**jbran23** · 02-22-2010, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Juice Authority

I have that. You know if it's gyno. Fatty tissue and gyno are 2 different things. Gyno, when fully formed, is a hard knot and very distinguishable from fatty tissue. If letro didn't knock it out then it's there to stay and cycling will just make it worse. I havent run letro yet, just a reversal plan posted by Warmachine using Nolva.

Contrary to what others have said, if the gyno has formed cycling will 'bring it out' more, which is a good thing. You're surgery bound anyway so the more they can remove the better. The only problem with this is I dont have insurance (not that the chances of them covering it are that high anyway) nor the money at this point to get the surgery. The last thing I want to do is have to walk around with full on tits for a couple years until I can.

See bold ^^^

And as for PH's, I agree with everything you guys said. If I had it to do over again I would have ditched the PH and just ran test. There is far more scientific knowledge and studies done on AAS use than any PH. The companies act like they are the safest things in the world when in reality they can mess you up harder than anything can.

**jbran23** · 02-22-2010, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by twotimer

PH's again.. Before you do a cycle I would try to get rid of what gyno you have again.
If this does not work you will need to prob run some adex on your cycle. Probly a higher dose of it as well/
Do more research on what AI's you should have on hand in case you get more gyno/ I have never had it so I am not 100% on what additional things you'll need.

The last thing I would want is to develop gyno/ Take every precaution you can

Absolutely plan on running an AI with my cycle due to the pre-existing gyno as well as the fact that Im probably prone at this point. Probably A-dex unless someone here steers me towards something else for some reason.

Is it pretty much given that running a cycle of AAS with an existing case of gyno will make it worse to some degree?