hdrol?

**Dog-Slime** · 03-08-2010, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by americanoak

when you say those were your only sides, are you saying that your test was not suppressed? This sounds too good to be true for me haha, what exactly is the reaosning behind staying with 50mg for all 4 weeks though, and not what i said? I mean im sure there is a reaosn since opretty much everyone does 50/50/50/50 or up it as the weeks go on, but the cycles i wrote out seemed to make sense to me since the hdrol doesnt rly kick in till the end of the second week.

Using a lower dose the first week might would make it take longer for it to really "kick in". If this is your first cycle I would be very surprised if you had no strength gains or weight increase by the start of the 2nd week tho.

I did not have bloodwork done to test my test levels but I was definately not shutdown. A pct is still advised with ANY steroid regardless of how light it is on the HPTA. Nolva for 4 weeks 20mg ed would be fine IMO.

**americanoak** · 03-08-2010, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

All opinions.... Funny I have yet to see any sides from any PH's. And I have ran some crazy doses. What works for you doesnt work for others. If they are FACTS i would love to see the documentation. 99.9% of this forum is opinionated. My opinion... Ph's suck. Your opinion. They are good. Well that just comes along with the forum. There is always one who loves something more than an other.

Nothing is misleading. Because I don't have any effect on a PH means it is shit to me. So would I recommend it? No. I would not. if I had gains then hell I would be ranting and raving as much as you.

As well as if these ph's are practically steroids . Why are you guys giving a 21 year old kid information on using it???? Because it is mild it is ok?

I wouldn't say kid, but Ok. If i remember correctly you were 22 when u cycled? Could be wrong though.

**americanoak** · 03-08-2010, 07:16 PM

Thanks for the info dog

Originally Posted by Dog-Slime

Using a lower dose the first week might would make it take longer for it to really "kick in". If this is your first cycle I would be very surprised if you had no strength gains or weight increase by the start of the 2nd week tho.

I did not have bloodwork done to test my test levels but I was definately not shutdown. A pct is still advised with ANY steroid regardless of how light it is on the HPTA. Nolva for 4 weeks 20mg ed would be fine IMO.

**c-Z** · 03-08-2010, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by americanoak

I wouldn't say kid, but Ok. If i remember correctly you were 22 when u cycled? Could be wrong though.

Could be right but my knowledge was much greater then yours. I started researching long before i even considered cycling. thank you.

Your just looking for the quick fix easy way out.

**dec11** · 03-08-2010, 07:19 PM

americanoak, give it up will ya?! jez how threads are you start whittering on about the same crap? I used most of the 1st gen of 'PH' and they were shite. go and eat and train, your getting boring now

**Dog-Slime** · 03-08-2010, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

All opinions.... Funny I have yet to see any sides from any PH's. And I have ran some crazy doses. What works for you doesnt work for others. If they are FACTS i would love to see the documentation. 99.9% of this forum is opinionated. My opinion... Ph's suck. Your opinion. They are good. Well that just comes along with the forum. There is always one who loves something more than an other.

Nothing is misleading. Because I don't have any effect on a PH means it is shit to me. So would I recommend it? No. I would not. if I had gains then hell I would be ranting and raving as much as you.

As well as if these ph's are practically steroids . Why are you guys giving a 21 year old kid information on using it???? Because it is mild it is ok?

Well congratulations for you. I see anavar and tbol in them as well... What is your experience with just the ph?

The fact would be that they are designer steroids. That information can be found all over the web and has been acknowledged by experts in the field (PA comes to mind).

As someone who made a mistake of using deca only as a first cycle at the age of 19 I do not feel bad in any way for giving someone advise as to what I believe is a safer alternative. People are gonna do what their gonna do so they might as well be informed so they won't make a stupid decision like I did.

**Dog-Slime** · 03-08-2010, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by declan11

americanoak, give it up will ya?! jez how threads are you start whittering on about the same crap? I used most of the 1st gen of 'PH' and they were shite. go and eat and train, your getting boring now

Yes the first generation were shit. Thats because they were actually pro-hormones and not designer anabolics like the one being discussed in this thread.

**americanoak** · 03-08-2010, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

Could be right but my knowledge was much greater then yours. I started researching long before i even considered cycling. thank you.

Your just looking for the quick fix easy way out.

I am researching, have been researching, and havent cycled yet so.......

**americanoak** · 03-08-2010, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by declan11

americanoak, give it up will ya?! jez how threads are you start whittering on about the same crap? I used most of the 1st gen of 'PH' and they were shite. go and eat and train, your getting boring now

dude, this is the last thread i made, what do you mean how many am i making?

I made one on anavar , crossed that off the list, made one comparing anavar vs test e for knowlege sake and now im asking about hdrol. it is not that many threads and im not asking you to read them os sorry if i bore you