Testosterone Propionate Cycle Started but...

[BJJ]

any test flu or post injection pain?

test flu no but a light headache throughout the day.

BJJ The same thing happened to me after I did my first pin...I had diarrhea for about 1/2 day...then it went away.....I do my second pin tomorrow and I will let you know if the same thing happens......

what type of oil have you got?

You injected into your ****ing trap???? You are ****ing crazy BJJ!!!!!!! But you are right..."Make Pain a Friend and you will have a Friend for life"<--William Shakesphere........

your quote is not bad...

^^^^^but there are so many other places to pin...i dont get it,but if it works for you....

i decided i will pin each muscles of my body, i mean the big ones of course.
my goal is to spread out the sore all over the body and not to concentrate it in one or two parts only.

[Mooseman33]

very smart to inject into all thoses places. get used to switching up the pin sites...
traps suck, but lats are great...

sorry to hear about ur sickness friend, wish u nothing but a speedy recovery...

[Vitruvian-Man]

I meant if I had used suspension (I have access to the one with water and no oil) I could have avoided the diarrohea!!!
Problem is I did not know I could have become so ill because of an oil but I am aware it is prop what I used.

Oh! I understand now. lol. Fair enough. On a side note: when I took suspension I literally got the worst test-flu I had ever gotten almost immediately after my first administration. (congested after an hr.)

Anyway, since I just ordered 5000 mg of suspension (10 weeks @ 60 mg x day x 2 shots) but have also on hand test en (7500 mg), how would you suggest me to go over the next two weeks in the mean while I await the test susp?

You could run the suspension for 10 weeks. Honestly thats really rough for your first cycle though. A 10 week cycle would require you to pin yourself 140 times. That's not going to be fun! lol.

Should I stop the cycle right away, since I injected only 120 mg of test prop in the last 48 hours, and wait for the suspension to start a new cycle?

If you can't handle the prop then discontinue it, and start on the Test-E, it will be much easier on you, and should be 100% painless. If you do this, you can just discontinue the prop, and 2 - 3 days later just take a 250mg shot of Test-E.

If you're impatient to see gains, you could always just use your suspension to front-load the cycle (IE)

test-e (weeks 1 - 12) @ 500mg/wk
suspension (weeks 1 - 3) @ 35mg x 2/ed

Or, should I use the test en to hold on for a couple of weeks?
In that case then my cycle would be long 14 weeks, perhaps too much?

14 weeks is not too long. You'll recover fine w/ a proper PCT.

Thanks for your advice

no problem.

advice in bold.

[BJJ]

very smart to inject into all thoses places. get used to switching up the pin sites...
traps suck, but lats are great...

sorry to hear about ur sickness friend, wish u nothing but a speedy recovery...

Thank you for your kind words.

[BJJ]

advice in bold.

Thank you for your suggestions, I'll take them into account.

[BJJ]

Situation seems to be better.
Today I pinned for my fourth time in 5 days and the previous diarrhoea seems to be over.
I hope so anyway, I guess I will have to wait the end of the day to see.

[bjohnson1968]

glad to hear that BJJ hope the end of the day outcome is the same

Peace and good luck

[BJJ]

glad to hear that BJJ hope the end of the day outcome is the same

Peace and good luck

thanks a lot

[bjohnson1968]

the latin words in your avatar is the meaning "a wise man carves his own fortune"

Just courious
Peace

[BJJ]

the latin words in your avatar is the meaning "a wise man carves his own fortune"

Just courious
Peace

carves or moulds...
I do not know how it is best translated in English.

But yes, you got the meaning.

[tboney]

Situation seems to be better.
Today I pinned for my fourth time in 5 days and the previous diarrhoea seems to be over.
I hope so anyway, I guess I will have to wait the end of the day to see.

Glad your feeling better bro!

[BJJ]

Glad your feeling better bro!

[BJJ]

Situation seems to be under control even though I still have some tummy pangs during the day but I will keep going on with prop.

Regarding the will of sex, when should I start to become horny?
So far, day 5, nothing except a higher sensitivity on my glans.

[bjohnson1968]

so what is your conclusion as to the cause Test Flu or possibly the reaction to the EO or do you think you may of had a touch of some other bug?

I'm happy you feel better and are able to continue the Prop cycle

Peace and Good Luck

[BJJ]

so what is your conclusion as to the cause Test Flu or possibly the reaction to the EO or do you think you may of had a touch of some other bug?

I'm happy you feel better and are able to continue the Prop cycle

Peace and Good Luck

Thank you.

Well, I think it was an allergic reaction to the EO, that is why I still feel some intestinal irritation with flatulence but it seems to get better.

Test flu so far did not happen, fortunately.

[Aizen Sosuke]

I had a similar reaction to my test e cycle. It also had ethyl oleate. Glad you pushed through. What's the entire cycle ?

[BJJ]

I had a similar reaction to my test e cycle. It also had ethyl oleate. Glad you pushed through. What's the entire cycle ?

I am going to start a thread soon about it.

[BJJ]

Even though my stools are solid I go to the bathroom to defecate around 8-9 times per day!!!
Actually, I am getting tired of this.

So, from tomorrow I will swap the test prop for susp, injecting instead of 70 mg ed with prop, 60 mg twice a day (morning and before w/o when in the afternoon).

I have no other choice to understand if the intestinal motility is due to the oil.
My susp is with water, so...

By the way, for those interested my log will be online next tuesday also with a bony mineralogy DEXA, taken in order to see how testosterone will affect my bones.

[BJJ]

By the way, injecting is funny...

[D7M]

By the way, for those interested my log will be online next tuesday also with a bony mineralogy DEXA, taken in order to see how testosterone will affect my bones.

Looking forward to your log.

Your logs are the most detailed I've ever seen on here

[terraj]

Why don't you try a lower dose on the Prop.

[BJJ]

Looking forward to your log.

Your logs are the most detailed I've ever seen on here

Why don't you try a lower dose on the Prop.

Like 50 mg?
In any case, be aware I started at 60 mg and at day 7 decided to go up to 70 mg.
Perhaps, I could have tried eod injections to give the organism the time to get rid of the oil.
But however, injecting then the double dose could create even more problems.
I wish I knew the proper answer...

[BJJ]

Something else I forgot, so far (day 8) no strength gains!!!

[terraj]

Sounds like bad gear I am sorry to say.

Notice anything other then diarrhea?

[BJJ]

Sounds like bad gear I am sorry to say.

Notice anything other then diarrhea?

I am bigger and leaner with some bloating in my face.
Also my erections last longer and the "golf" is harder.

[Bertuzzi]

Interesting thread with a lot of good advice. I look forward to your log on this cycle (no pun intended) as I am preparing for my first injection cycle in a few months.

I'm Finally stepping away from the Anavar only I am excited.

I hope the rest of your cycle goes well and is successful.

[BJJ]

Interesting thread with a lot of good advice. I look forward to your log on this cycle (no pun intended) as I am preparing for my first injection cycle in a few months.

I'm Finally stepping away from the Anavar only I am excited.

I hope the rest of your cycle goes well and is successful.

Thank you, much appreciate it.

[BJJ]

First susp injection, right tricep (25g ⅝") very painful.

[slimy]

THE most painful steroid . Your first injectable cycle? And you stuck it in your arm.

You are one bad mother.

[thegodfather]

It's important to understand that in the medical world, Ethyl Oleate is only really used as a solvent in injectable progesterone therapy for women seeking to increase their chance at pregnancy. So, unfortunately, there is little documentation on the incidence and frequency of allergic reactions to Ethyl Oleate. It is also hard to pinpoint whether it is the solvent, preservatives, base compound, or impurities in all of the above.

There can be byproducts and unknown compounds (referred to as "peaks" on a GC/MS) that occur in the production process of hormones. That is for instance, why powders are labeled with certain purities, i.e.- 97%,98%,99%, etc. These various byproducts can be completely harmless, or they can cause rather unfavorable reactions in the human body, although their effects are more often than not negligible. However, there can be dangerous byproducts in the production of hormones and supplements, you can google Peak E and Peak X in the production of L-Tryptophan and the very serious incidences of undifferentiated fibromyalgia that was caused by these byproducts.

The concentration and ratios of Benzyl Alcohol and Benzyl Benzoate, used as a preservative in the injectable solution can also cause adverse reactions.

Additionally, the various solvents, also known as "carriers," can cause allergic reactions in some people. Ethyl Oleate, Polyethylene Glycol, Cottonseed Oil, Grapeseed oil, etc, and so on. It's important to understand also that in many human grade testosterone preparations the preservative chlorbutanol is used, which is actually a mild anesthetic and anti-bacterial.

So the situation BJJ, is that you have multiple variables which could all be causing your adverse drug reaction (ADR). There is also a distinction, when referring to the carriers/preservatives between technical grade and pharmacy grade. Many people on the forums seem to think that this is a distinct difference in the product itself or that the products are completely different. In fact it is not, pharmacy grade is simply, in this case, carriers/preservatives which are manufactured according to the United States Pharmacopoeia standards. Hence, this is where the acronym "USP" grade comes from. It must be manufactured to the standards of the United States Pharmacopoeia, it must be manufactured in a facility using good manufacturing processes, which is where the acronym "GMP" derives from.

Any number of impurities or contamination in any step of the manufacturing process in any one of the components that goes into making a sterile injectable solution can be the cause of your problem. However, if we, for arguments sake say they you are using 100% USP-NF drugs, in a GMP facility, then we could say you are most likely experiencing an anaphylactic rxn to the carrier/preservative. In this case, you should in addition to experiencing the diarrhea, experience inflammation at the injection site, adema, redness, etc. You may have to switch brands to one which does not use a more exotic carrier/preservative. In the meantime, to attenuate some of the symptoms you are experiencing, try taking 50-100mg of Diphenhydramine (brand name Benadryl) a day, and see if this helps. I would be quite worried if 4-6mg of Loperamide (brand name Immodium) was not attenuating the diarrhea. If the symptoms persist you should seek medical care immediately...

Good luck bro...

[BJJ]

THE most painful steroid . Your first injectable cycle? And you stuck it in your arm.

You are one bad mother.

I like the hard way, always.

It's important to understand that in the medical world, Ethyl Oleate is only really used as a solvent in injectable progesterone therapy for women seeking to increase their chance at pregnancy. So, unfortunately, there is little documentation on the incidence and frequency of allergic reactions to Ethyl Oleate. It is also hard to pinpoint whether it is the solvent, preservatives, base compound, or impurities in all of the above.

There can be byproducts and unknown compounds (referred to as "peaks" on a GC/MS) that occur in the production process of hormones. That is for instance, why powders are labeled with certain purities, i.e.- 97%,98%,99%, etc. These various byproducts can be completely harmless, or they can cause rather unfavorable reactions in the human body, although their effects are more often than not negligible. However, there can be dangerous byproducts in the production of hormones and supplements, you can google Peak E and Peak X in the production of L-Tryptophan and the very serious incidences of undifferentiated fibromyalgia that was caused by these byproducts.

The concentration and ratios of Benzyl Alcohol and Benzyl Benzoate, used as a preservative in the injectable solution can also cause adverse reactions.

Additionally, the various solvents, also known as "carriers," can cause allergic reactions in some people. Ethyl Oleate, Polyethylene Glycol, Cottonseed Oil, Grapeseed oil, etc, and so on. It's important to understand also that in many human grade testosterone preparations the preservative chlorbutanol is used, which is actually a mild anesthetic and anti-bacterial.

So the situation BJJ, is that you have multiple variables which could all be causing your adverse drug reaction (ADR). There is also a distinction, when referring to the carriers/preservatives between technical grade and pharmacy grade. Many people on the forums seem to think that this is a distinct difference in the product itself or that the products are completely different. In fact it is not, pharmacy grade is simply, in this case, carriers/preservatives which are manufactured according to the United States Pharmacopoeia standards. Hence, this is where the acronym "USP" grade comes from. It must be manufactured to the standards of the United States Pharmacopoeia, it must be manufactured in a facility using good manufacturing processes, which is where the acronym "GMP" derives from.

Any number of impurities or contamination in any step of the manufacturing process in any one of the components that goes into making a sterile injectable solution can be the cause of your problem. However, if we, for arguments sake say they you are using 100% USP-NF drugs, in a GMP facility, then we could say you are most likely experiencing an anaphylactic rxn to the carrier/preservative. In this case, you should in addition to experiencing the diarrhea, experience inflammation at the injection site, adema, redness, etc. You may have to switch brands to one which does not use a more exotic carrier/preservative. In the meantime, to attenuate some of the symptoms you are experiencing, try taking 50-100mg of Diphenhydramine (brand name Benadryl) a day, and see if this helps. I would be quite worried if 4-6mg of Loperamide (brand name Immodium) was not attenuating the diarrhea. If the symptoms persist you should seek medical care immediately...

Good luck bro...

Thank you for your information.
I just came back and did my second shot of susp.
Today, I solved my intestinal motility problem as well as the flatulence so I am sure the trouble was the EO.

I will keep your suggestions in mind.

[BJJ]

Strength kicked in today.

[BJJ]

Today, first forearm injection ever.
Very painful indeed.
The worst one to me, actually.

[BJJ]

It's important to understand that in the medical world, Ethyl Oleate is only really used as a solvent in injectable progesterone therapy for women seeking to increase their chance at pregnancy. So, unfortunately, there is little documentation on the incidence and frequency of allergic reactions to Ethyl Oleate. It is also hard to pinpoint whether it is the solvent, preservatives, base compound, or impurities in all of the above.

There can be byproducts and unknown compounds (referred to as "peaks" on a GC/MS) that occur in the production process of hormones. That is for instance, why powders are labeled with certain purities, i.e.- 97%,98%,99%, etc. These various byproducts can be completely harmless, or they can cause rather unfavorable reactions in the human body, although their effects are more often than not negligible. However, there can be dangerous byproducts in the production of hormones and supplements, you can google Peak E and Peak X in the production of L-Tryptophan and the very serious incidences of undifferentiated fibromyalgia that was caused by these byproducts.

The concentration and ratios of Benzyl Alcohol and Benzyl Benzoate, used as a preservative in the injectable solution can also cause adverse reactions.

Additionally, the various solvents, also known as "carriers," can cause allergic reactions in some people. Ethyl Oleate, Polyethylene Glycol, Cottonseed Oil, Grapeseed oil, etc, and so on. It's important to understand also that in many human grade testosterone preparations the preservative chlorbutanol is used, which is actually a mild anesthetic and anti-bacterial.

So the situation BJJ, is that you have multiple variables which could all be causing your adverse drug reaction (ADR). There is also a distinction, when referring to the carriers/preservatives between technical grade and pharmacy grade. Many people on the forums seem to think that this is a distinct difference in the product itself or that the products are completely different. In fact it is not, pharmacy grade is simply, in this case, carriers/preservatives which are manufactured according to the United States Pharmacopoeia standards. Hence, this is where the acronym "USP" grade comes from. It must be manufactured to the standards of the United States Pharmacopoeia, it must be manufactured in a facility using good manufacturing processes, which is where the acronym "GMP" derives from.

Any number of impurities or contamination in any step of the manufacturing process in any one of the components that goes into making a sterile injectable solution can be the cause of your problem. However, if we, for arguments sake say they you are using 100% USP-NF drugs, in a GMP facility, then we could say you are most likely experiencing an anaphylactic rxn to the carrier/preservative. In this case, you should in addition to experiencing the diarrhea, experience inflammation at the injection site, adema, redness, etc. You may have to switch brands to one which does not use a more exotic carrier/preservative. In the meantime, to attenuate some of the symptoms you are experiencing, try taking 50-100mg of Diphenhydramine (brand name Benadryl) a day, and see if this helps. I would be quite worried if 4-6mg of Loperamide (brand name Immodium) was not attenuating the diarrhea. If the symptoms persist you should seek medical care immediately...

Good luck bro...

One of the most intelligent post ever read since I joined.

[slimy]

Today, first forearm injection ever.
Very painful indeed.
The worst one to me, actually.

First injectable cycle ever. And you pick Suspension. Which is the most painful steroid I have ever tried. You have to stick it twice a day. You put it in your tricept. Now, you are sticking it in your forearm. What do you do for fun? Hit yourself in the head repeatedly with a ball peen hammer?

You have my upmost respect. You are, in fact, a stud. Damn.

[40plusnewbie]

.......... sorry

[BJJ]

First injectable cycle ever. And you pick Suspension. Which is the most painful steroid I have ever tried. You have to stick it twice a day. You put it in your tricept. Now, you are sticking it in your forearm. What do you do for fun? Hit yourself in the head repeatedly with a ball peen hammer?

You have my upmost respect. You are, in fact, a stud. Damn.

I used to do skydiving and motor races (Vallelunga).
Now only brazilian jiu-jitsu.

[Necrosaro]

For some reason when I take energy drinks I get the craps. Are you taking in any?

[BJJ]

^
Sorry I do not get your question?

[Necrosaro]

With the diarrhea...are you taking in any energy drinks...when I do I get the shits and thought to ask to see if you were?