My balls WTF is going on I'm freaking out

[newdude22]

I did an 8 week cycle of test c at 500mg a week. I ran a 5 week pct of
clomid 100/100/75/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/30/20/20
I also did 5000 iu of hcg 1week before cycle ended up to pct.
I have kept 90% of my gains and physically I feel alright. I'm going to get bloodwork soon but in the mean time I would appreciate your input.

On cycle my balls shrank to what seemed like the size of raisins. About 3 weeks into pct my balls came back to full size. Now i havnt taken clomid or nolva in about a week and my balls are shrinking big time again? What do you think should I be concerned?

[Hard.On]

yep there are problems with your cycle
and your PCT

I think your bodies levels are all messed up at the moment
wait for a vet to tell you what to do
DONT LISTEN TO ANY NEWBS

[Knockout_Power]

Just to cover bases, did you wait 18 days to start your PCT or right after your cycle ended?

[Micki]

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[newdude22]

I waited 14 days to start pct.

[Knockout_Power]

I waited 14 days to start pct.

close enough, Ive heard of some people starting PCT day of ending their cycle... Im really not sure what to say, 8 weeks on C is a fairly short cycle. I dont even get shrinkage, let alone that fast... sorry I cant help, but one of the Vet's will...

good luck

KP

[AnonEagle]

you could be suffering from an estrogen rebound that i hear about frequently. since a SERM does not actually decrease estrogen, just blocks your estrogen receptors, all the estrogen can build up while you're on PCT with just SERMs. when you come off, you still have this excess of estrogen, thus the estrogen rebound after PCT.

are your nips sensitive at all? any other estro related symptoms? you could try an AI like exemestane or letro

[AlphaGenetics]

Watch out using letro, that stuff will make you rebound more than you are now. you should taper that stuff down to very minimum amounts then go to eod then e3d then run nolva for two weeks. Ive had bad luck with letro. Jmo gl

[AnimalJ]

there just balls youll be ok without them . .

[AlphaGenetics]

there just balls youll be ok without them . .

I like my balls...

[newdude22]

Ok, well since my nipples aren't particularly sensitive do I need to take anything or will it just work itself out. Oh yeah and another thing is my erections aren't quite as strong as they used to be

Cansomeone breifly explain why estrogen rebound would make my nuts not function properly?

[Hard.On]

at least your getting erections

[FranciscoG]

You need to continue using your SERMs.

I have no idea who started the whole ¨I am going to use SERMs for a few weeks as a PCT¨

There are clinicals that show use of Tomax will increase LH up to 12 weeks from the start of use.


So here is what is going on.

´Your nuts are shrinking´ soon your labido will go with it. Your levels of FSH and LH are also dropping. Let me just stop there and not high jack the thread...

[TITANIUM]

You need to continue using your SERMs.

I have no idea who started the whole ¨I am going to use SERMs for a few weeks as a PCT¨

There are clinicals that show use of Tomax will increase LH up to 12 weeks from the start of use.


So here is what is going on.

´Your nuts are shrinking´ soon your labido will go with it. Your levels of FSH and LH are also dropping. Let me just stop there and not high jack the thread...

Doc, feel free.

This thread needs to be high jacked.LOL

Basically, the OP needs to follow through with his PCT.

I personally think the HCG should have been ran during cycle @ 250 IU's X 2 wk.

Right up to the start of PCT.

Roughly 18 to 21 days,

Clomid @ 100/50/50/50
Nolva@ 40/20/20/20

This should get you back safely, as your cycle was short.

Best

T

[AnonEagle]

Guys he said he already ran 5 weeks of PCT with two SERMs... clomid and tamoxifen . assuming he waited a couple weeks after his cycle, what he did should be sufficient PCT..

[dec11]

Guys he said he already ran 5 weeks of PCT with two SERMs... clomid and tamoxifen . assuming he waited a couple weeks after his cycle, what he did should be sufficient PCT..

not ness true, some may not recover, even from one cycle

[AnonEagle]

not ness true, some may not recover, even from one cycle

well yes I agree, there is a risk of permanent damage to your HPTA axis after even one cycle. but would a PCT or more than 5 weeks really be worth it? risk vs. reward, and all with how much more benefit there is from a longer PCT vs the toxicity and sides of the PCT chems

[dec11]

i know of tests which showed clomid and nolva as not having detrimental effects for a year or more, not exactly sure of the test period so dont quote me on it, i think it was stated on one of swiftos articles

[AnonEagle]

i know of tests which showed clomid and nolva as not having detrimental effects for a year or more, not exactly sure of the test period so dont quote me on it, i think it was stated on one of swiftos articles

nolva and clomid definitely do have real side effects. in the world of cancer treatments, tamoxifen (Nolva) is regarded as incredibly harsh and powerful, but still these sides are preferable to cancer... besides the liver toxicity, this is taken directly from Cancer.gov

The known, serious side effects of tamoxifen are blood clots, strokes, uterine cancer, and cataracts... Men who take tamoxifen may experience headaches, nausea and/or vomiting, skin rash, impotence, or a decrease in sexual interest.

[lovbyts]

Is it OK if I just sit back and laugh.
Most of the time they dont have the balls (and he lost his) to admit there is a problem.

He cant say he was not warned.

Ok, so despite people here urging me not to cycle due to age and stats discussed in another thread, I decided to start my first cycle anyway.

I'm 22 and 170 lean lbs. I know i'm a little young and light to start cycleing but I'm aware of the risks and have accepted it. Any kind advice is appreciated in advance.

OK here are the RISKS you where warned about. Yes you are to young. Your body is not going to react the same as someone who is older and body has stopped growing and hormones are settled down.
You may experience problems for YEARS or for the rest of your life. Was it, is it worth it? Good luck

[BJJ]

Get a full BW before you go to an endocrinologist.

[TITANIUM]

Doc, feel free.

This thread needs to be high jacked.LOL

Basically, the OP needs to follow through with his PCT.

I personally think the HCG should have been ran during cycle @ 250 IU's X 2 wk.

Right up to the start of PCT.

Roughly 18 to 21 days,

Clomid @ 100/50/50/50
Nolva@ 40/20/20/20

This should get you back safely, as your cycle was short.

Best

T

Guys he said he already ran 5 weeks of PCT with two SERMs... clomid and tamoxifen. assuming he waited a couple weeks after his cycle, what he did should be sufficient PCT..

Yes, I do understand that he did a PCT.

What I posted was the NORMAL protacol.^^^^^^^

I ran a second PCT, a short one, after a particular cycle.

This was done to get my natty test up.

4 wks didn't do it.(first PCT for that cycle).

I waited a month, maybe two.

And it worked.

There are always exceptions, as we are all different in how we respond.



Best

T

[TITANIUM]

Is it OK if I just sit back and laugh.
Most of the time they dont have the balls (and he lost his) to admit there is a problem.

He cant say he was not warned.



OK here are the RISKS you where warned about. Yes you are to young. Your body is not going to react the same as someone who is older and body has stopped growing and hormones are settled down.
You may experience problems for YEARS or for the rest of your life. Was it, is it worth it? Good luck

Excellent catch LB!!!!!


Thankyou.

Best

T

[TITANIUM]

Get a full BW before you go to an endocrinologist.

Absolutely agree.

You need blood work.

As I stated previously, a second PCT is sometimes required.

BUT, I am not saying this to be a rule to follow.

The endocrinologist can make this decision for you and see if permanent damage to your HPTA was actually done.

Best of luck.

T

[Swifto]

Stay on the SERMs.

PCT should last as long as it takes to get back to baseline, or near it. 3-4 weeks often, isnt enough.

6 weeks of Tamox/Tore is sufficient for me.

[TITANIUM]

Stay on the SERMs.

PCT should last as long as it takes to get back to baseline, or near it. 3-4 weeks often, isnt enough.

6 weeks of Tamox/Tore is sufficient for me.

I read good things about Tore, but have not ran it.

I will next cycle and post my results.

Best

T

[AlphaGenetics]

Stay on the SERMs.

PCT should last as long as it takes to get back to baseline, or near it. 3-4 weeks often, isnt enough.

6 weeks of Tamox/Tore is sufficient for me.

Ya but he stated that after pct his balls came back to normal. Could this be some side of hcg ???? Ive heard some things....bad things....

[newdude22]

Thanks to those that have been helpful.

So swifto, how much longer should I take the serms and at what doses?

Let me just clarify:
I ran 8 weeks of test c but stopped because I got scared
on my 7th week I started hcg and took about 800iu every 3 days for almost 2.5 weeks
then I started clomid/nolvadex and ran it for 5weeks at the dosages listed in post 1
after 5 weeks I felt normal again and felt physically and emotially normal
now it's been about a week since I have taken serms and I feel fine and I think about sex and want to **** my gf quite frequently but I take 10mg of cialis bc I'm concerned I may lose hard ons, although it hasn't happened before. Lastly, ivebeen examining my testicles daily and they are not as big as 1 week ago and feel softer as well if I squeeze gently. They are nowhere near as small as when I was on cycle but I have noticed I have lost volume.

Should I immediatly continue 2 more weeks of serms at clomid 50mg daily and nolva 20mg daily?

[TITANIUM]

Thanks to those that have been helpful.

So swifto, how much longer should I take the serms and at what doses?

Let me just clarify:
I ran 8 weeks of test c but stopped because I got scared
on my 7th week I started hcg and took about 800iu every 3 days for almost 2.5 weeks
then I started clomid/nolvadex and ran it for 5weeks at the dosages listed in post 1
after 5 weeks I felt normal again and felt physically and emotially normal
now it's been about a week since I have taken serms and I feel fine and I think about sex and want to **** my gf quite frequently but I take 10mg of cialis bc I'm concerned I may lose hard ons, although it hasn't happened before. Lastly, ivebeen examining my testicles daily and they are not as big as 1 week ago and feel softer as well if I squeeze gently. They are nowhere near as small as when I was on cycle but I have noticed I have lost volume.

Should I immediatly continue 2 more weeks of serms at clomid 50mg daily and nolva 20mg daily?

Yes, but this is dependent on your blood work.

We can help you better if you post your blood values when you get them.

Then we can see what is going on, like your natty test levels.

This way we can be certain where you stand.

Best

T

[Swifto]

Get blodd tests done.

LH, FSH, Free/Total T, SHBG, DHEAs, Estrogen, Prolactin, Cortisol. Thyroid function if you can too.

It says to me your suffering from secondary hypogonadism, which means the problem is your endo. LH and FSH levels, not testis. But you need BW done.

Secondary hypogonadism is treated with SERMs, not really HCG .

[DaBullet]

Is it OK if I just sit back and laugh.
Most of the time they dont have the balls (and he lost his) to admit there is a problem.

He cant say he was not warned.


Originally Posted by newdude22
Ok, so despite people here urging me not to cycle due to age and stats discussed in another thread, I decided to start my first cycle anyway.


I'm 22 and 170 lean lbs. I know i'm a little young and light to start cycleing but I'm aware of the risks and have accepted it. Any kind advice is appreciated in advance.


OK here are the RISKS you where warned about. Yes you are to young. Your body is not going to react the same as someone who is older and body has stopped growing and hormones are settled down.
You may experience problems for YEARS or for the rest of your life. Was it, is it worth it? Good luck

Wow what a catch!! Man this is the reason I joined this forum to get informed of what I need to do to minimize any sides that may come from this, and here this guy was warned and didnt take the advice given by many vets. I hope you get your balls back (literally) and listen next time someone gives you advice or else why even ask if you are not going to listen. But for reals good luck man and I hope all turns out well bro.

[Swifto]

Is it OK if I just sit back and laugh.
Most of the time they dont have the balls (and he lost his) to admit there is a problem.

He cant say he was not warned.



OK here are the RISKS you where warned about. Yes you are to young. Your body is not going to react the same as someone who is older and body has stopped growing and hormones are settled down.
You may experience problems for YEARS or for the rest of your life. Was it, is it worth it? Good luck

Excellent example of how these newbs think they know it all and get burned.

His PCT and use of HCG isnt that bad, so he may have run into problems like this a few years down the line. I'd have run HCG throughout, but thats me.

[lovbyts]

Thanks guys, Im not trying to bust his balls (he already did that) but point out to him and others this is only one of many things that can happen especially if you are young.
They all think their body has stopped growing but it has not and because of that even if you do everything perfect, perfect cycle, perfect PCT you have a LOT higher chance of things going wrong especially down the road a few years and you may never associate the 2 together.

Stop being in a hurry to get big. Lear to eat/diet and get almost the same results from eating except you wont have to worry about any of the minimal side effect or the big ones. Now he will spend more money on doctors visits, more medication and maybe take months or more to recuperate properly.

Was it worth it? You where given advise NOT to do a cycle and you knew why. You ended up cutting it short because you had problems dealing with it, emotional issues, you though you had gyno after a few days and?????

You probably dont have insurance and you are afraid to talk to a doctor now, right? Would I be wrong to think you are maybe even younger than you stated? Either way now you have a hard lesson to learn. I could have been and still could turn out to be MUCH worse. Hopefully it's not and you will recover fully.

[Quo]

Poor kid. I did some dumb sh1t when I was younger that follows me around to this day. Hopefully this guy doesn't have any permanent problems. But, you were warned, Newdude22. I hope everything works out for you, but, if it doesn't, let it be a lesson to others.

[dec11]

nolva and clomid definitely do have real side effects. in the world of cancer treatments, tamoxifen (Nolva) is regarded as incredibly harsh and powerful, but still these sides are preferable to cancer... besides the liver toxicity, this is taken directly from Cancer.gov

yeah pal, and have you ever read the back of a prescription label where some state that a side effect of the medicine may be what you have in the first place. goverment info is bullshit, they have to cover every single thing incase they are wrong, your kinda naive in your response

[Quo]

yeah pal, and have you ever read the back of a prescription label where some state that a side effect of the medicine may be what you have in the first place. goverment info is bullshit, they have to cover every single thing incase they are wrong, your kinda naive in your response

Pot calling the kettle black, here.

Of course these drugs have side effects. Nolvadex is CHEMOTHERAPY for chrissake. To say you can just throw these things in your body without worrying about it or that government info is always "bullshit" is naive at best.

Nolva definitely gives me horrendous headaches.

[dec11]

Pot calling the kettle black, here.

Of course these drugs have side effects. Nolvadex is CHEMOTHERAPY for chrissake. To say you can just throw these things in your body without worrying about it or that government info is always "bullshit" is naive at best.

Nolva definitely gives me horrendous headaches.

oh right and i suppose you follow the protein consumption chart also? and it isnt chemo, its an anti estro, i think you'll find chemo drugs are more extreme

[Quo]

oh right and i suppose you follow the protein consumption chart also? and it isnt chemo, its an anti estro, i think you'll find chemo drugs are more extreme

Ok, we're splitting hairs, here. No, nolvadex is not technically a chemo drug, but it is used in the treatment of cancer, and it is a pretty heavy duty chemical.

I don't want to argue all day about Nolvadex. My point is that I think the assumption amongst some AAS users that these drugs are as harmless as Flintstone vitamins is really dangerous. They're not harmless, there are side effects, and we do need to be careful. That's all I am saying.

And, like I said, Nolva does give me miserable headaches. And Clomid blurs my vision. So I know there are side effects and I don't wanna use these things any more than I have to.

[dec11]

Ok, we're splitting hairs, here. No, nolvadex is not technically a chemo drug, but it is used in the treatment of cancer, and it is a pretty heavy duty chemical.

I don't want to argue all day about Nolvadex. My point is that I think the assumption amongst some AAS users that these drugs are as harmless as Flintstone vitamins is really dangerous. They're not harmless, there are side effects, and we do need to be careful. That's all I am saying.

And, like I said, Nolva does give me miserable headaches. And Clomid blurs my vision. So I know there are side effects and I don't wanna use these things any more than I have to.

yeah but thts you, i dont have a single side frm em and none of my training partners do either, of course i dont take drug use lightly but theres alot of scaremongering about, ie the media and govermental 'warnings'

[Quo]

yeah but thts you, i dont have a single side frm em and none of my training partners do either, of course i dont take drug use lightly but theres alot of scaremongering about, ie the media and govermental 'warnings'

Ok, Declan. I think we're gonna go around in circles here.

Perhaps the government is guilty of "scaremongering". I don't agree with that opinion, but, we'll assume for a moment that they are. It doesn't mean that you (or anyone else) should swing the pendulum in the other, equally false and dangerous direction by claiming that there are no side effects and everyone should just not worry.

And, no, the side effects are not "just me". Both of these are well-known and common side effects of Nolva and Clomid that many people experience. And what unknown things could it be doing inside your body?