Estro sides first cycle

**redwings91** · 04-24-2010, 01:35 PM

Hi, I just started my first cycle 2 days ago.

Test prop 500 mg 8 weeks.

PCT = clomid + nolva.

Stats:

25 yo
6ft, 190. I'm looking for strength only, not trying to gain size.

I'm pinning eod and I felt absolutely great after my first shot. Libido felt very high and energy was up.

Just did my second shot 4 hours ago and I feel like garbage now. Sluggish feeling and libido feels lower than when I am not on anything. Gear is definitely legit.

Is this due to an increase in estrogen? I have a small amount of proviron on hand and I probably could get a hold of some other AI. What do you guys think?

Also, when I pinned my first shot I ran the vial of prop under some hot water first, now it looks like there are a few little bubbles of water inside the vile... should I be worried about that?

**c-Z** · 04-24-2010, 01:57 PM

You put the whole vial under water? Why?

And i find it hard to believe u did a shot and POW i feel awesome. then four hours after a second shot wow i feel like shit.... you got allergies? the way i feel changes a lot on my allergies... if pollen is low i feel great when it starts getting bad i tend to feel like shit.

**redwings91** · 04-24-2010, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

You put the whole vial under water? Why?

I didn't put the whole vile under water. Just ran the bottom part of it under the tap. It may have splashed up toward the top of the vile a few times I guess I wasn't too careful. I don't see how water got through the top though since it is on there pretty tight.

Originally Posted by c-Z

And i find it hard to believe u did a shot and POW i feel awesome. then four hours after a second shot wow i feel like shit.... you got allergies? the way i feel changes a lot on my allergies... if pollen is low i feel great when it starts getting bad i tend to feel like shit.

I also find it hard to believe that it would have effects on me this quickly, but I can definitely say I felt great yesterday and shitty today. High libido + sense of well being yesterday. Today low libido + slightly depressed feeling. I don't have any allergies or anything to pollen.

**Bossman** · 04-24-2010, 02:34 PM

Probably thinking too hard about how you're supposed to feel.

FWIW, I run a small stream of hot tap water and hold the barrel of the syringe under it with the safety cap still on the needle. After a minute or so the solution is warm enough for inject. I doubt any water made it into the vial.

**redwings91** · 04-24-2010, 05:28 PM

I was thinking that it might be mental but I really think something is wrong. I went to lift today and had one of the worst workouts I've ever had in my life. I was struggling with weights that aren't even close to my maximums and I couldn't hype myself up no matter what I did.

**NickyReps717** · 04-25-2010, 05:23 PM

Weird, sometimes the day after I inject I have crap workouts. I feel all crappy, idk what it is, but 2 days after im fine.

**Tyler694** · 04-25-2010, 05:40 PM

I was thinking the same thing as said above. Increased libido the day after? Sounds kind of early for first pin.. Even prop..

**Ashop** · 04-25-2010, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by redwings91

Hi, I just started my first cycle 2 days ago.

Test prop 500 mg 8 weeks.

PCT = clomid + nolva.

Stats:

25 yo
6ft, 190. I'm looking for strength only, not trying to gain size.

I'm pinning eod and I felt absolutely great after my first shot. Libido felt very high and energy was up.

Just did my second shot 4 hours ago and I feel like garbage now. Sluggish feeling and libido feels lower than when I am not on anything. Gear is definitely legit.

Is this due to an increase in estrogen? I have a small amount of proviron on hand and I probably could get a hold of some other AI. What do you guys think?

Also, when I pinned my first shot I ran the vial of prop under some hot water first, now it looks like there are a few little bubbles of water inside the vile... should I be worried about that?

Im not sure about the lethargy that your having but I do beleive that
you should be using an AI to avoid any problems.

**redwings91** · 05-29-2010, 09:12 PM

Ok, so not sure if I should start another thread, but I'll just post in this one.

Basically I stopped that prop cycle I was talking about because of how shitty I was feeling after 3 pins.

Anyway, I put that cycle on hold. Decided to try something different for my first cycle.

5 days ago I started taking 50 mg / day of HDrol (prosteroid to tbol). I am having a very similar reaction as I did to the prop. I feel tired, head has pressure in it, libido is lower, and to top it off, I am feeling weaker during workouts than when I don't take anything.

Since hdrol doesn't arromatize I am lead to believe maybe my body is cranking out too much SHBG and that is making me feel shitty? Any help would be great. I don't know whether to ride it out and hope it gets better or give up.

Has anyone every had similar feelings at the start of a cycle?

Is it possible that additional androgens just don't work well with my body?