Looking for cycle to build muscle fibers (for muscle that is literally gone)

[BrnstrM]

You can look up my thread in the new members section to get some background on me, as this post is long enough: Hello all, currently in Texas. Trying to recover from serious injury... . Bottom line I was severely injured in Iraq. Without getting into too much details which could potentially give me away to prying eyes, there are two things I am concerned about. First is my leg, hip and butt on the side which took the injury. In addition to it being generally weak and full of holes (literally, who knows what tunneling shrapnel has done to the overall muscle), about 90% of my soleus is gone, and about 20% of my gastroc. I am actually contemplating amputation becuase of this and some nerve damage, but I have so litle tissue down there I need to stregnthen that leg regardless (which is tough with so little muscle and so little neurological conrol over it).

On top of this, whats making it dificult to train are my low testosterone levels since the injury. I guess I should be happy to have a cock and balls to begin with (literally, there are shrapnel wounds an inch to the left, inch to the right and inch to the back...yes that back one gave me an extra asshole for awhile) however there was never damage in that area. Initially, I couldn't feel my penis at all, slowly (and very happily) the feeling returned. After about 5 months, I was finally able to ejaculate again, and about a month after that, with the help of ED medication, I was able to get it up.

After that I still had issues with ED, however I believe it was likely due to the large amounts of narcotic pain medication I was on, including methadone (the worst). However, having come off of it and stabilized after the terrible detox, I still have issues. My doctor believes the nerve damage still has something to do with it. He continues me on ED medication, and recently I had a testosterone panel done. The results came in and I am only in the high 300s of total test. The other numbers were not good either. This is a far cry from my pre-deployment days, when I felt it was the goal of divine providence to put me out to stud with the libido I had. And although I did a cycle of sustenon back in the day, I have had just as good results in the past with supplements like celltech, myoplex deluxe, and all those other muscletech gakic, leuckic, NO2 things out there. With good supplement usage I never hit a plateau, and was also in very strong cardio shape.

Due to my situation of having all of my health care done through the military, I cannot get HRT, although I strongly feel I need it (not just the sex thing, I have very little energy, have been borderline anemic since the injury almost 30 months ago, "physically" depressed - where I can fight it with my mind but its getting harder and harder). I also wasn't to look for something that can potentially help me build brand new muscle fibers in the injured leg.

Therefore, I was hoping I can get some ideas for a cycle. I was hoping to include HGH, regardless of the expense (well...somewhat regardless, don;t have stallone money to spend of course). If anything, it will at least give me enough strength to ensure that amputation, if required, would be a breeze.

My necessary stats:
>H/W/A - 6'1, 205 lbs, 27
>BF% - I have an athletic build even with all the injuries and am certainly not "fat". To be honest though Im not so concerned with being ripped, much more so with being in shape and, well, having a decent 'shape"
>Training experience - Considering I was 230 with a bench/squat/dlift total of over 1200 pounds while being able to run sub 12 minute 2-miles in IRAQ, I think Ive got lots of muscle memory potential
>Experience - one baby 8 week cycle of sust back in college. Combined with other supplements (one was that 1-AD stuff which was pretty legit for being legal at the time). Went very well.

What I am thinking:
Base of Test E and Deca. Does pyramiding it over 10-12 weeks make sense?
*Maybe* D-bol or something milder for the 1st 4 weeks.
An aggressive PCT afterwards, especially with my hormone issues right now.
HGH/IGF-1 or both throughout (doubt I can afford this), EOD injections

I have been skimming through and theres almost information overload on here! I used to have a bit of knowledge back in the day when I was the typical obsessed ~20 year old (in fact after my cycle I grew up a bit and felt I did not need them, at least until I was much older; now though its due to external circumstances). I like to do my due diligence, and as a member of many other forums - mostly car and weapon related - so I know how to search these things. To be honest though, with my unique situation and all the other things going on(i.e. very aggressive PT, which with my low test and hemocrit puts me out of commission for the rest of the day) I am hoping some of the experts on here can cut me a break and work with me and educate me directly on how I should approach this.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[JJ78]

Cant hurt. I would stay on with the test as a TRT dose after the cycle. Maybe 150-200mgs a week. Especially if you have ed issues. It sounds like you are pretty messed up. That is why I say cant hurt.
Test combined with your PT should greatly increase your chances of recouping.
And if it doesnt you cant say you didnt try.

I am and certainly would be on it if I had any kind of injury. This is why they were invented in the first place.

[JJ78]

Test @ 500mgs a week
Split into 2 inj. every 3.5 days
4-6 ius of HGH everyday until you do not need it anymore.

Just my honest opinion.
Cant walk around all ****ed up if you do not have to

[BrnstrM]

Thanks JJ, of course in addition to the PT I will finally be able to get back in the gym with regularity!

As for the long term TRT - I am getting some conflicting information. One thing I read somewhere said that a proper course of TRT, with PCT stuff at the end (the kind you would get at a proper endocrinologist/urologist) can reset your own bodies HPG axis, especially if you are able to get back to a decent muscle mass. Other things say you would need it for the rest of your life. In the case of the latter, I have read in one place that there are no dangers, and in another place that there are definite dangers, to basically replacing your natural testosterone with synthetics essentially for the rest of your life.

I am already on a few medications for the rest of my life, and I hate thinking about the fact I have these "anchors" now i will always have to worry about, so I am not sure how down I would be even for something as beneficial as testosterone. Was wondering what your or anyone elses opinions are on the long term TRT.

Also, the Deca would be a constant 250 a week to help keep the joints of the lower body from running into any issues. Otherwise a constant 500mg a week is better it seems from both what you said and the majority of others I have read into on here.

[JJ78]

I am suggesting TRT dose because you probally will not be back to tip top shape after 12 weeks of a cycle.

Correct me if I am wrong , but I would assume that when you get better you could just to a good PCT, when you decide to stop the test, and try and get your levels back up?

250 of Deca is pretty week. You can go up pretty high 600-800. And why not ?

As I said before **** being messed up if there are options.
Know what Im sayin.

[Half-Life 6]

dont amputate your leg no matter what, try focusing more on hgh than test for the most part but do 500 mg test

[BrnstrM]

^^^To be honest amputation is my best option to have a normal life, unless this hail mary I am currently undergoing works. The prosthetics they have nowadays are amazing. Where I have been in limbo for the past two and a half years guys who were more messed up than me are back in iraq/Afghanistan doing daily patrols as Infantrymen with their prosthetics.

I should probably get on the HGH quick and hard then, maybe that will help the medical last ditch effort out. I did hear about IGF-1 regrowing nerves locally, or should I just not even worry about that stuff and just stick to high doses of HGH while I see if I can prevent the amputation?

I am suggesting TRT dose because you probally will not be back to tip top shape after 12 weeks of a cycle.

Correct me if I am wrong , but I would assume that when you get better you could just to a good PCT, when you decide to stop the test, and try and get your levels back up?

250 of Deca is pretty week. You can go up pretty high 600-800. And why not ?

As I said before **** being messed up if there are options.
Know what Im sayin.

I see what you are saying now. Do a TRT after the cycle itself and integrate it into the beginning of the PCT, rather than integrating the PCT into the end of the stack proper. Might look into that, and then just do a 10 week cycle with the TRT type dosing at the end working into the PCT. If anything it can't hurt like you are saying!

[JJ78]

PCT will not be necesary until you decide to get off the test.

on a personal note:

Thank you for you service!

But I ****ing hate that you guys are in Iraq and Afganistan, please do not let me offend you or any of the other boys over there, but these are bullshit wars for bullshit reasons. All of the wrong people are benifiting from them and none of the right people.

But dude, exhaust all resources and avenues before chopin' it off. I think that you will be surprised at what steroids and HGH can do for you.

I hope I did not offend you.

I am so sick of seeng guys of my generation and everyone else getting ****ed over by our so called government.

[JJ78]

And I cant comment on the IGF-1. I know very little about it.

[BrnstrM]

PCT will not be necesary until you decide to get off the test.

on a personal note:

Thank you for you service!

But I ****ing hate that you guys are in Iraq and Afganistan, please do not let me offend you or any of the other boys over there, but these are bullshit wars for bullshit reasons. All of the wrong people are benifiting from them and none of the right people.

But dude, exhaust all resources and avenues before chopin' it off. I think that you will be surprised at what steroids and HGH can do for you.

I hope I did not offend you.

I am so sick of seeng guys of my generation and everyone else getting ****ed over by our so called government.

None taken, totally understand. Believe me you fight for much different reasons when over there.

[6ft5]

Are you allowed to see an endo other than the doc from the service? Off base. Some endo prescribe deca with test. Usually a low dose but better than gettn hymed up for trying to fix yourself. Alsoif you did go to the endo and he did fix you up on a trt program you can take that and add to it ya know. Till they ask for anuther pannel.

[prodomino]

this is going to sound retarded and im going to get flamed to **** for saying this but look into synthol injections to put a base in for your leg it will fill your leg in a bit the HGH is a really good idea for you its to bad you cant aford the rest of it though. you should find a doctor that isnt an ignorant person on the subject of steroids and tell him your 100% going to be taking steroids and need a safe way of doing it. Make sure you regularly visit him and have blood work etc etc done constantly.

[BrnstrM]

I will be seeing an endocrinologist here soon, unfortunately I am 90% sure they are going to be military as well. Talking to my primary care person about it today I tired to get as much info out of him about how this all works (while trying to act very ignorant) he told me that they will probably put me on that cream crap. I was able to direct it towards injections and he told me he has only seen that in severely malnourished patients (mostly burn related).

Hopefully I walk in to the endo guy's office and he is ridiculously jacked and I can say "so, i've been doing some reading, how does test e and deca sound for me" and hes like "yeah, that sounds good, but I think I am going to put you one 4 ius of somatropin a day, hope you aren't afraid of needles" and then we high five and after 6 months my leg is good as new...

...although whats probably going to happen is they will put me on the cream, and if I augment it on my own I am sure its going to throw up some flags. I think I need to do some more research on IGF-1 anyway - in theory it can regrow nerve tissue which is what I really need.

[BiggerByTheDay]

.. I am unable to help with furthering information but I will say this; Thanks for your service. Good luck and you are a hero. Although I do not know you, I am beyond thankful for someone like you. Keep fighting for your own health now and We support you guys no matter what.

[dock holliday]

You can look up my thread in the new members section to get some background on me, as this post is long enough: Hello all, currently in Texas. Trying to recover from serious injury... . Bottom line I was severely injured in Iraq. Without getting into too much details which could potentially give me away to prying eyes, there are two things I am concerned about. First is my leg, hip and butt on the side which took the injury. In addition to it being generally weak and full of holes (literally, who knows what tunneling shrapnel has done to the overall muscle), about 90% of my soleus is gone, and about 20% of my gastroc. I am actually contemplating amputation becuase of this and some nerve damage, but I have so litle tissue down there I need to stregnthen that leg regardless (which is tough with so little muscle and so little neurological conrol over it).

On top of this, whats making it dificult to train are my low testosterone levels since the injury. I guess I should be happy to have a cock and balls to begin with (literally, there are shrapnel wounds an inch to the left, inch to the right and inch to the back...yes that back one gave me an extra asshole for awhile) however there was never damage in that area. Initially, I couldn't feel my penis at all, slowly (and very happily) the feeling returned. After about 5 months, I was finally able to ejaculate again, and about a month after that, with the help of ED medication, I was able to get it up.

After that I still had issues with ED, however I believe it was likely due to the large amounts of narcotic pain medication I was on, including methadone (the worst). However, having come off of it and stabilized after the terrible detox, I still have issues. My doctor believes the nerve damage still has something to do with it. He continues me on ED medication, and recently I had a testosterone panel done. The results came in and I am only in the high 300s of total test. The other numbers were not good either. This is a far cry from my pre-deployment days, when I felt it was the goal of divine providence to put me out to stud with the libido I had. And although I did a cycle of sustenon back in the day, I have had just as good results in the past with supplements like celltech, myoplex deluxe, and all those other muscletech gakic, leuckic, NO2 things out there. With good supplement usage I never hit a plateau, and was also in very strong cardio shape.

Due to my situation of having all of my health care done through the military, I cannot get HRT, although I strongly feel I need it (not just the sex thing, I have very little energy, have been borderline anemic since the injury almost 30 months ago, "physically" depressed - where I can fight it with my mind but its getting harder and harder). I also wasn't to look for something that can potentially help me build brand new muscle fibers in the injured leg.

Therefore, I was hoping I can get some ideas for a cycle. I was hoping to include HGH, regardless of the expense (well...somewhat regardless, don;t have stallone money to spend of course). If anything, it will at least give me enough strength to ensure that amputation, if required, would be a breeze.

My necessary stats:
>H/W/A - 6'1, 205 lbs, 27
>BF% - I have an athletic build even with all the injuries and am certainly not "fat". To be honest though Im not so concerned with being ripped, much more so with being in shape and, well, having a decent 'shape"
>Training experience - Considering I was 230 with a bench/squat/dlift total of over 1200 pounds while being able to run sub 12 minute 2-miles in IRAQ, I think Ive got lots of muscle memory potential
>Experience - one baby 8 week cycle of sust back in college. Combined with other supplements (one was that 1-AD stuff which was pretty legit for being legal at the time). Went very well.

What I am thinking:
Base of Test E and Deca. Does pyramiding it over 10-12 weeks make sense?
*Maybe* D-bol or something milder for the 1st 4 weeks.
An aggressive PCT afterwards, especially with my hormone issues right now.
HGH/IGF-1 or both throughout (doubt I can afford this), EOD injections

I have been skimming through and theres almost information overload on here! I used to have a bit of knowledge back in the day when I was the typical obsessed ~20 year old (in fact after my cycle I grew up a bit and felt I did not need them, at least until I was much older; now though its due to external circumstances). I like to do my due diligence, and as a member of many other forums - mostly car and weapon related - so I know how to search these things. To be honest though, with my unique situation and all the other things going on(i.e. very aggressive PT, which with my low test and hemocrit puts me out of commission for the rest of the day) I am hoping some of the experts on here can cut me a break and work with me and educate me directly on how I should approach this.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Hey bro. You will get the right advice here if you stick around here long enough and continue to post your progress and set backs. It will happen.

I just want to thank you so much for risking your life for me, my family, and the rest of America. I don't know your name, but I know your story and whenever I pray, you and your loved ones will be in my prayers. You are a hero in every sense of the word. God Bless you bro. It will get better. I lost everything in my life a few years ago, but i struggled to survive and now feel blessed to still be on this planet, so it does get better. Hang in there brother.

[6ft5]

Imo, Just follow threw with the appontment. Transdermal or Cream is next best to injectables..I don't think it would hurt to just throw your ideas out there... mayby say not shure about how much tho? On the high end of treatment and I might be wrong 200 test and 200 deca . Personaly I wouldn't run just 200 deca unless it was for a long time theropy. But if you could get that outa your doc youd be doing good. And if he doest know about pct or agressive pct then you can take care of that.

[Kiki]

Goodluck man with whatever you decide to do.

Respect