Been taking approx. 300mg/week test for about 15 months (no cycling), am I screwed?

**MauMau77** · 06-17-2010, 06:59 PM

Hi, thanks in advance for any help you can give me. I know my case is a little different than most on this forum, but I'm hoping maybe someone knows of a similar spot.

Basically I started seeing a nutritionist in January '09 to lose weight. I'm not a body builder or anything. When the diet wasn't getting the best results, he suggested I could go on testosterone . He had run a bunch of blood tests. I am 41 and it was something like 397, which he said is on the low end. He did say something about my free testosterone being good. So I did two prescriptions of cyprionate with his doctor, roughly 200mg/week. It' worked great, I loved feeling like I was in my 20s again. Also I decided to get a trainer to lift weights and try to capitalize on being on test.

At that point his doctor sort of flaked out (I think she had planned to prescribe me some kind of PCT, I know she mentioned something that sounded like what I now know is PCT). My trainer said he could get me more test, and never really talked about cycling. Reluctantly I went ahead and did it, and have been taking between 200 and 400mg/week of enthanate ever since - missing a week here and there.

I did lose about 45-lbs over that time and have added maybe 10 lbs. of muscle, so that's great. My diet is really good too and I feel great. But I'm not trying to get huge. I'm pretty long and lanky and would rather just go for the lean look.

So for various reasons I'd like to get off the stuff now and am wondering if I should try a very long cycle with clomid maybe? Also does anyone know if 15 months is enough to totally shut down your natural production? I'd say my balls are 10% smaller, maybe 20%. Hard to judge. They weren't huge to begin with (so at least now I have an excuse - lol). I have health insurance but can't really talk about this with them for obvious reasons.

Anyway I know this is a pretty retarded newbie thing to post. But I really don't know who else to ask. I guess my trainer just thinks everyone should go on it for life. I wish he would have talked to me about cycling. I guess it is a little different though since I'm 41 and was already on the low end.

Thanks again!

**Big** · 06-17-2010, 07:01 PM

at 41, you should consider going through a doc and getting placed on trt (testosterone replacement therapy)

**MauMau77** · 06-17-2010, 07:10 PM

Thanks. Sounds exactly like what I've doing on my own, lol.

Maybe I'll just let this stuff drain out of my system then get tested and hopefully put on TRT. Is there a rule of thumb for how long it takes to go back down? The doctor asked me if I'd done any for 3 months. I had to lie and say no, because the last legit prescription was last year. So I'm thinking if 3 months is the conservative doctor estimate, maybe 2 months is a more realistic time-frame for it to drain out?

**Big** · 06-17-2010, 07:14 PM

2 months would be about right, you want to wait long enough for the test cyp to be out of your system, but not so long that your natural test production begins to pick back up.

**anabolic1979** · 06-17-2010, 07:22 PM

i would wait a few weeks and go find a new endo and get tested again. Your levels should be that of a 5 year old girl and should be put on trt for good if thats what u want anyways. maybe 6 weeks u levels should be pretty low i mean u will feel when thay are very low.

**MauMau77** · 06-17-2010, 07:31 PM

Sorry but what's a new endo?

**Apanda** · 06-17-2010, 07:46 PM

I think he means an Endocrinologist

**Shol'va** · 06-17-2010, 08:26 PM

Yes he is talking about an Endocrinologist. You definitely need to see one so that he can check you out. Your T-Level is 397, which is still above the 280-300 low end threshold. It is 280- 850 somewhere abouts. Different labs set different thresholds but that is an average. The Endo can check you out and see if your pituitary axis is off. Between the thyroid, pituitary gland and your testis. The pituitary gland releases hormones and signals to the testis to make more testosterone . And since you are at 397, with medicine they might be able to get your system going again without needing TRT. Then if you do more cycling in the future you can always run your pct afterwards to bring your system back. That is if you havent messed it up already. I'm no expert, but the endo will be.

**tubs** · 06-17-2010, 09:01 PM

you can tell doctors about what you did - and i would (maybe not full story but key points)
they will give you a quick lecture and then fix you up

**powerliftmike** · 06-17-2010, 09:10 PM

Yea Im liking tubs idea, at least try it first. Just tell your doc your were on TRT, had issues with the prescribing doctor, then went black market for a while but would like to be prescribed a low dose as per initial clinical plan. Its not like the doctor could talk to police about this [confidentiality], and furthermore actually taking AAS isnt illegal its possession.

**MauMau77** · 06-17-2010, 11:54 PM

No I'm not worried about the Dr. talking to police. But I am worried about my insurance dropping me. It's not through work, it's private insurance though Kaiser.

**MauMau77** · 08-27-2010, 03:41 PM

Ok well I got tested a little over 2 months after my last use and I guess the results are normal. But I don't know anything more than that. I do know it's been about 3 months now and I feel pretty lethargic and weak. I managed to get a hold of 80 capsules of Chlomid-50. The plan is to take 2/day until they're gone. Does that sound about right? Thanks.

**Bonaparte** · 08-27-2010, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by MauMau77

Ok well I got tested a little over 2 months after my last use and I guess the results are normal. But I don't know anything more than that. I do know it's been about 3 months now and I feel pretty lethargic and weak. I managed to get a hold of 80 capsules of Chlomid-50. The plan is to take 2/day until they're gone. Does that sound about right? Thanks.

If you're in your 40s, why bother trying to come off? Just keep looking around for an endocrinologist who will prescribe you TRT, and take 100-200mg per week until then. I doubt that the Clomid alone will be enough, its going to take a more aggressive PCT, but even then I would be surprised if you came back into the normal range.

**MauMau77** · 08-27-2010, 04:21 PM

I've been told that TRT was like 200mg/month. Although checking around now it looks like 100mg/week is more standard. That may be the best option along with HCG or something. I definitely felt like my balls were shrinking some.

I just know the doctor with the nutritionist who originally put me on test-C was planning to do some kind of PCT after 20 weeks. Although she never specified which. I guess my free testerone was ok, although I don't know exactly what that means.

**MauMau77** · 08-27-2010, 09:11 PM

OK one last question then I'll quit bugging you guys. I'm going to go ahead and take the chlomid since I already paid for it. Should I combine it with some Exemestane? Or does it really matter all that much for someone in my position (41, did 300mg test for 15 months, been off test for 3 months)?

Thanks a ton you all have been really helpful.

**Bonaparte** · 08-27-2010, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by MauMau77

OK one last question then I'll quit bugging you guys. I'm going to go ahead and take the chlomid since I already paid for it. Should I combine it with some Exemestane? Or does it really matter all that much for someone in my position (41, did 300mg test for 15 months, been off test for 3 months)?

Thanks a ton you all have been really helpful.

It should help. I'd take 12.5mg/day for maybe a month.