Got my testosterone results back.. not good..

**vaders4** · 06-28-2010, 10:40 AM

Old.

**CMB** · 06-28-2010, 10:42 AM

have you ever cycled before?

**vaders4** · 06-28-2010, 10:51 AM

Never.

**vaders4** · 06-28-2010, 10:52 AM

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**papa-pump** · 06-28-2010, 10:57 AM

u gota start somewhere w what amounts works best for u and starting low is good. the best way i learned was trial n error. seeing which compounds i reacted good too and at what amounts

**Noles12** · 06-28-2010, 11:02 AM

Rather than run a cycle, why not talk to a doctor. More than likely he will put you on TRT which is legal and you can have stable higher levels for the rest of your life

**vaders4** · 06-28-2010, 11:07 AM

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**Noles12** · 06-28-2010, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by vaders4

I'm worried about having children. That and the cost of HRT is probably more expensive than what I'm paying for gear now.

Some insurances cover it. But even then rather than cycle then come off, if you can get your own that much cheaper start with your own program. Cycling then stopping completely will do you no good. Sure you will feel better while on but when you come off you will go right back to where you started

**vaders4** · 06-28-2010, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Noles12

Some insurances cover it. But even then rather than cycle then come off, if you can get your own that much cheaper start with your own program. Cycling then stopping completely will do you no good. Sure you will feel better while on but when you come off you will go right back to where you started

Well I've been living this long where I started so.. It wouldn't be that bad I suppose.

I'm just worried about having children on HRT.

**IIceMan** · 06-28-2010, 02:43 PM

There are different TRT/ HRT protocols. Some of which will help you stay fertile. Even if youve dealt with being low for so long, you dont know what your missing until you get on. Then when you come off, youll feel worse than you ever did. I would get refered to an endo. HRT can be cheap depending on your insurance. 15-40 a month depending on doses.

**vaders4** · 06-28-2010, 03:32 PM

This sucks man.. I currently do not have insurance right now either..

I'm gonna wack myself with 500mg test for 10wks, come off and then be miserable and probably be on 250mg test a week, for life.

Great.

**setian** · 06-28-2010, 04:09 PM

250mg/week for life? What is optimal for a "life" dose if you are on trt with very minimal sides? Also if you do not care about being fertil.

**vaders4** · 06-28-2010, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by setian

250mg/week for life? What is optimal for a "life" dose if you are on trt with very minimal sides? Also if you do not care about being fertil.

Most HRT doses are 100mg-200mg per week (from what I remember).

**dec11** · 06-28-2010, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by vaders4

This sucks man.. I currently do not have insurance right now either..

I'm gonna wack myself with 500mg test for 10wks, come off and then be miserable and probably be on 250mg test a week, for life.

Great.

you certainly wont feel miserable, trt put the spark back in me

**vaders4** · 06-28-2010, 07:54 PM

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**Noles12** · 06-28-2010, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by vaders4

I hope so.. At this point in my life I don't even know what I'm missing I guess.

Here's a good example though..

I slept 8hrs last night (shitty sleep as always)..

Just took a nap for 3hrs and guess whos tired again? me! What's surprising to me is how strong I am with this low testosterone.

Obviously you know what you are missing because you just described how you are tired often and get terrible sleep all of the time

**vaders4** · 06-28-2010, 08:14 PM

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**lovbyts** · 06-28-2010, 09:16 PM

it sucks not having insurance. If you are going to do this then start with the therapudic dose, not a full cycle and see how you feel. Also you dont have to come off of a low does of around 200 a week. HRT patients like myself are on it for life.

If you get insurance later and get to see a doctor then stop everything and run a PCT before at least a month or two before seeing the doctor. What you want to see is an Endocrinologist, not a normal doctor.

**anabolic1979** · 06-28-2010, 09:32 PM

at ur age i would look into trt i think it would be ur best bet

**vaders4** · 06-28-2010, 10:11 PM

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**stevey_6t9** · 06-28-2010, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by vaders4

Yea hrt is looking like an option.. I'm just wondering why I don't have very serious sexual problems? I can always get hard when I want to. If my test is really that low shouldn't I experience some serious sexual sides?

not everyone gets all the symptoms, obviously you have some except erectile dysfunction.

**lovbyts** · 06-28-2010, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by vaders4

Yea hrt is looking like an option.. I'm just wondering why I don't have very serious sexual problems? I can always get hard when I want to. If my test is really that low shouldn't I experience some serious sexual sides?

I never had a low libido or and ED issues but my test was low. I had all the other symptoms, I got lucky with that one. Not everyone get all of them.

**n00bs** · 06-29-2010, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I never had a low libido or and ED issues but my test was low. I had all the other symptoms, I got lucky with that one. Not everyone get all of them.

Have you dont proper testing?

Zinc
e2
SHBG
LFT
IGF-1
Thyroid profile
Adrenals Cortisol/dhea-s

Ect?

I perosnally think it would be sutpid for you to do a cycle you are adding more problems to an already existing problem.. get sorted first then worry aobut other shit..

Also if you have hypogonadism it generally effects IGF-1 and without sufficient igf-1 500mg of tets a week wont do shit...

GET SORTED PROPERLY!

Bit hard to figure out what is going on without the whole picture..

Do you also suffer any mental health conditions or any history of head trauma?

Are you seeing a good doc?

**lovbyts** · 06-29-2010, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by n00bs

Have you dont proper testing?

Zinc
e2
SHBG
LFT
IGF-1
Thyroid profile
Adrenals Cortisol/dhea-s

Ect?

I perosnally think it would be sutpid for you to do a cycle you are adding more problems to an already existing problem.. get sorted first then worry aobut other shit..

Also if you have hypogonadism it generally effects IGF-1 and without sufficient igf-1 500mg of tets a week wont do shit...

GET SORTED PROPERLY!

Bit hard to figure out what is going on without the whole picture..

Do you also suffer any mental health conditions or any history of head trauma?

Are you seeing a good doc?

Me? LOL I had at least 15 different hormone panels ran the first year on HRT and I still get 3x a year. I am seeing an endocrinologist so yes I have had all the blood work done including thyroid.

They also checked for tumors and other things just to make sure there was nothing going on. Im almost 48 so part is just do to age but also I think my Test levels where effected due to a severe case of Hep B in 1990.

Not everyone has low libido but 99% of the cases do.

Now I think the rest of your questions are for the OP.

**n00bs** · 06-29-2010, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Me? LOL I had at least 15 different hormone panels ran the first year on HRT and I still get 3x a year. I am seeing an endocrinologist so yes I have had all the blood work done including thyroid.

They also checked for tumors and other things just to make sure there was nothing going on. Im almost 48 so part is just do to age but also I think my Test levels where effected due to a severe case of Hep B in 1990.

Not everyone has low libido but 99% of the cases do.

Now I think the rest of your questions are for the OP.

Sorry they were all for him ... My bad on the quote function

Sorry.

**anabolix112** · 06-29-2010, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by vaders4

Well I've been living this long where I started so.. It wouldn't be that bad I suppose.

I'm just worried about having children on HRT.

Just something to throw in not to take example of.

Maybe someone trained to compete and was on external test for years, ok some supplements being used that actually promote the fertility along other things during that. No intention to have children, two pregnancies even with pills being used, both led to early miscarriage tho but seems like fertility and cycling doesn't always go hand in hand or some products like proviron and clomifen really work.

**CMB** · 06-29-2010, 10:42 AM

Run a second aggressive pct before you start hrt.

Clomid 150/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Just my .02$

**warchild** · 06-29-2010, 11:30 AM

run hcg with your trt and if you want children

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 06-29-2010, 02:48 PM

I'm in the same boat as you op. I haven't cycled before (tried but gear was fake) and my test was measured in the low 300s both times I had it checked. I am starting my first cycle in a month from now and plan on cruising with the risk of potentially being on for life (and I'm almost 25). Just make sure to really weigh the pros and cons and think long and hard about it before making a serious decision

**vaders4** · 06-29-2010, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by CMB

Run a second aggressive pct before you start hrt.

Clomid 150/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Just my .02$

Why would I do a second PCT? I've never even done a first? completely confused by your post.

**vaders4** · 06-29-2010, 07:16 PM

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**n00bs** · 06-29-2010, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by vaders4

Why would I do a second PCT? I've never even done a first? completely confused by your post.

You can try a HPTA restart...

Beasically rekick your hypothalamus into gear..

Im not sure if thats what he meant i think he think you used AAS andnow have issues.

A good Dr will know ho to try a restart and if it is worth doing...

**big_ron** · 06-29-2010, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by warchild

run hcg with your trt and if you want children

is this proven?

**n00bs** · 06-29-2010, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by big_ron

is this proven?

Of course it is...

LOL

hcg mimicks LH...

**vaders4** · 06-29-2010, 10:58 PM

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**smalltime7** · 06-29-2010, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Noles12

Rather than run a cycle, why not talk to a doctor. More than likely he will put you on TRT which is legal and you can have stable higher levels for the rest of your life

bump^

**Nicotine** · 06-29-2010, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by CMB

have you ever cycled before?

Originally Posted by vaders4

Never.

Originally Posted by vaders4

I'm worried about having children. That and the cost of HRT is probably more expensive than what I'm paying for gear now.

in the first posts, you've "never" cycled.....

then in this post, you say HRT costs more than you are paying for gear NOW....

so, which is it? you've never cycled, or you buy/use gear.

something isn't right here........ does not compute.

**SERPENTORX** · 06-30-2010, 12:43 AM

If you got tested for Test and its low cant your doctor prescribe it for you?

**CMB** · 06-30-2010, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by vaders4

Oh.. I've never cycled.. Well I did Dbols when I was 21 (almost 10 years ago before good info could easily be found).

I ran a cycle (half a cycle) of var for 4 weeks but was experiencing incredible back pumps so I stopped. I ran a PCT anyway (this was over 6 months ago).

I do not feel any different after the var cycle then I did before so I do not credit that to my low test levels. I've always suspected I had low test, now this just confirms it.

It's time to figure out what I need to do..

Yeah before you do hrt try kickstarting you hpta.

Read swiftos sticky post in the pct section he has a study showing how clomid got the test up by 146%.