Newbie needing some advice.

**jako** · 07-02-2010, 12:01 PM

Hi everyone.

Im 25 years old and weighing in at around 170lbs. I have always been super slim and have an extremely fast metabolism which really aggrevates me.

I trained a few years back for 8 months without having any sort of diet and found myself complaining for getting stuck with a weight gain of only 7lbs. I had some time out where i had no interest in weight training and then 18 months ago i got back into it and consulted in a personal trainer to create a diet and training program for me.
I have since learnt the importance of my diet and am always working to improve it to combat my metabolism.

My natural weight is 154lbs and after training for 6 months i got up to 175lbs.I then dislocated my shoulder in a soccer accident and it put me out for 6 months. In this time i lost all of my gains and went straight back down to 155lbs. I have been training again for the last 6 months and climbed back up to 170lbs.

I feel strong and and really enjoying my workouts at the moment. I have been thinking lately about getting into steroids when i reach back up to 175lbs. This will give me enough time to research exactly what i need as i have no knowledge in this subject.

If anyone can guide me in the right direction of all the things i should be looking to research or can point me in the direction of an expert who can assist me in creating a cycle best suited to me then it would be really appreciated. I would obviously pay the expert for there time.

I know everyone on these sort of forums usually hates noobs so please take it easy on me. I am here to learn and what better place than a steroid forum.

Thankyou for your time

**Matt** · 07-02-2010, 12:07 PM

You need to spend so much more time training without the use of aas..

If you've been back at it for 6months and gained 15lbs then imagine the possibilities after 3 years of hard training and dieting...

Post your diet in the diet forum for critique...

**stack_it** · 07-02-2010, 12:14 PM

I've always had the same body type as you and I agree it can be frustrating. You have to give it time. Since you've been training you've never even made it two straight years and you even said your diet isn't all that great. Research all you can about aas and if you truly understand what you're researching then you will realize it will be best to get some more natty reining done.

Just keep training hard and eating big and the results will come. Trust me I've experienced it and so has every other member here who hit a plateau.

**jako** · 07-02-2010, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by 007

You need to spend so much more time training without the use of aas..

If you've been back at it for 6months and gained 15lbs then imagine the possibilities after 3 years of hard training and dieting...

Post your diet in the diet forum for critique...

To be honest i shot back up to 165lbs really quick and then i have to work so hard to put 1lb a week on at the most. My diet is pretty good.Plently of protein and carbs. I take in around 5000 calories a day and all clean no junk. This is why i want to venture into steroids . It is a decision i have made but i am in no immediate rush and want to make sure i am completely knowledgable on the subject

**jako** · 07-02-2010, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by stack_it

I've always had the same body type as you and I agree it can be frustrating. You have to give it time. Since you've been training you've never even made it two straight years and you even said your diet isn't all that great. Research all you can about aas and if you truly understand what you're researching then you will realize it will be best to get some more natty reining done.

My diet was really bad in the past but not anymore. That is why i want to get into aas to take me to the next level because otherwise it will take me about 3 years to get to where i want to be.

**Matt** · 07-02-2010, 12:20 PM

How tall are you??

**jako** · 07-02-2010, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by 007

How tall are you??

6ft 1. Im not sure what that is in cm

**cobra305** · 07-02-2010, 12:41 PM

At that ht you can gain much more naturually that is fairly light. Go to the diet section and post your diet. They should be able to help you get your diet in order

**G4R** · 07-02-2010, 12:44 PM

5000 cals a day of clean foods doesn't mean the right foods for your goals. Please, check out the diet section and post up your diet with the macros for each food item in every meal, then a daily total of your macros. Let them critique it.

**stack_it** · 07-02-2010, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by jako

6ft 1. Im not sure what that is in cm

At 6'1" and 170lbs you definately need to head to the diet section. Like already said, you may be eating a lot of food but it's more than likely not the right ones for you.

**jako** · 07-02-2010, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by G4R

5000 cals a day of clean foods doesn't mean the right foods for your goals. Please, check out the diet section and post up your diet with the macros for each food item in every meal, then a daily total of your macros. Let them critique it.

Thanks. I am going to post it after i get back from the gym. I did originally have my diet created by a personal trainer who has entered shows etc so feel pretty confident it is good for me but i am always open to some new suggestions.

I know that everyone wants people to stay natural for as long as possible but i would also like some advice on aas if possible.

**jako** · 07-02-2010, 01:07 PM

My diet

Meal 1 - Shake
Meal 2 - 5 oz Chicken Breast 2.5 oz pasta
Meal 3 - 5 oz Turkey Breast 2.5 oz pasta
Meal 4 - 5 oz Chicken Breast 2.5 oz pasta
Meal 5 - Shake
Meal 6 - 5 oz Lean Ground Beef

Shake ingredients - 2 Scoops protein,full fat milk, yogurt, 3 tablespoons of olive oil and 100g of oats.

**jako** · 07-02-2010, 04:01 PM

anyone?

**anabolic albatross** · 07-02-2010, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by jako

My diet

Meal 1 - Shake
Meal 2 - 5 oz Chicken Breast 2.5 oz pasta
Meal 3 - 5 oz Turkey Breast 2.5 oz pasta
Meal 4 - 5 oz Chicken Breast 2.5 oz pasta
Meal 5 - Shake
Meal 6 - 5 oz Lean Ground Beef

Shake ingredients - 2 Scoops protein,full fat milk, yogurt, 3 tablespoons of olive oil and 100g of oats.

That doesn't look anywhere NEAR 5k cals. Eat more, post your routine.

**jako** · 07-02-2010, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by anabolic albatross;****137

That doesn't look anywhere NEAR 5k cals. Eat more, post your routine.

each shake is 1350 calories so easily adds up

**awansauce** · 07-02-2010, 09:30 PM

is 5 a post workout meal? cause u should be eatting a simple carb instead of a complex.. no veggies? and i agree doesnt really look close to 5k cals at all

**gixxerboy1** · 07-02-2010, 09:39 PM

its completley your diet.

thats less food then i eat cutting and i'm 5'6

also shakes arent the same as real food

hit the diet section and read up. You could gain alot naturally if you swithced that up. I'm honestly suprised yuor 175 with that diet.

Your trainer had no clue whats correct for you. Is he really short? it seems like he gave you a cutting diet for someone much smaller

**jako** · 07-03-2010, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1;****530

its completley your diet.

thats less food then i eat cutting and i'm 5'6

also shakes arent the same as real food

hit the diet section and read up. You could gain alot naturally if you swithced that up. I'm honestly suprised yuor 175 with that diet.

Your trainer had no clue whats correct for you. Is he really short? it seems like he gave you a cutting diet for someone much smaller

Well thanks for your opinion and thats the reason i have come on this forum.

Do you really think that it is not enough food.Im constantly full.For my height i am skinny so maybe it would be enough food for you but i feel it is for me. The shakes do contain oats so im getting some good carbs, the only downside is they feel me up for quite along time.Do you think i should cut out the post workout shake and replace it with a meal?

Why are you suprised at me being 175 with this diet, you imagine me losing weight with this diet?

The trainer that gave it to me customised it for my goals of wanting to gain weight. He competes so i guess he does know what he is going on about

**flexandex** · 07-03-2010, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1;****530

its completley your diet.

thats less food then i eat cutting and i'm 5'6

also shakes arent the same as real food

hit the diet section and read up. You could gain alot naturally if you swithced that up. I'm honestly suprised yuor 175 with that diet.

Your trainer had no clue whats correct for you. Is he really short? it seems like he gave you a cutting diet for someone much smaller

Originally Posted by jako

My diet

Meal 1 - Shake
Meal 2 - 5 oz Chicken Breast 2.5 oz pasta
Meal 3 - 5 oz Turkey Breast 2.5 oz pasta
Meal 4 - 5 oz Chicken Breast 2.5 oz pasta
Meal 5 - Shake
Meal 6 - 5 oz Lean Ground Beef

Shake ingredients - 2 Scoops protein,full fat milk, yogurt, 3 tablespoons of olive oil and 100g of oats.

Its always quite hard correcting a mod, i hope you take this the right way:

2.5oz pasta is around 1cup, 40g carbs.
5oz chicken breast is around 60g protein

400cals for each of those meals.

the 2 shakes, 1350 each, 2700

The beef will be around 300-400cals depending how lean it actually is.

so yeah, infact, 2700 + 1200 + 300, with conservative estimates that diet is around 4200 calories. I dont think ronnie could cut on 4200 cals!

absolutely AMPLE for someone 6'1 and 175, the macronutrient ratio is quite good, as is the timing. If you are *honestly* eating this (which i don't think you are, day in, day out) then you will gain. There is no 2 ways about it.

Secondly.. in this case, his 'shakes' are as close to real food as you are going to come. What difference does it make having your oats + yogurt + glass of milk + whey blended together, as opposed to eating it seperately as a meal? Especially when he has 4 other whole food meals in there.

I know what someone who is 175 6'1 looks like, and as everyone has said it is farrr to small to start steroids . Take the pros advice, put it on the shelf for a year, atleast, and then re-evaluate. What have you got to lose? a year is nothing in the scheme of things..

Edit: as was mentioned aswell, you would really do well to add some vegies into that diet, chuck some broccoli / mixed vegez into your pasta/chicken meals.. hell, might spice them up a bit!

**n00bs** · 07-03-2010, 07:38 AM

Worst diet ever... 5 months of training and you want to use? What is with people these days steroids don't make you strong. Go view my post of my hormone levels in my try thread I made I squat 185kg atg deadlift 220kg ... I'm not bragging simy stating if I can pull thoughs with hormones worse then your mum on sure you have some hope! Do no be a fool your diet and total lack of training and knowledge is what has put younger

As a noob you should be 3 times a week squatting benching , mp, bent rows bench dips pull ups deadlifts Nd eating food a shake is not a meal no matter how many calories are in it. I'm sure there is a good noob thread here on basic diet and strength if not I will create one.

5 months is honest a joke..

**flexandex** · 07-03-2010, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by n00bs;****883

Worst diet ever... 5 months of training and you want to use? What is with people these days steroids don't make you strong. Go view my post of my hormone levels in my try thread I made I squat 185kg atg deadlift 220kg ... I'm not bragging simy stating if I can pull thoughs with hormones worse then your mum on sure you have some hope! Do no be a fool your diet and total lack of training and knowledge is what has put younger

As a noob you should be 3 times a week squatting benching , mp, bent rows bench dips pull ups deadlifts Nd eating food a shake is not a meal no matter how many calories are in it. I'm sure there is a good noob thread here on basic diet and strength if not I will create one.

5 months is honest a joke..

I dont understand why people like you make posts like this. You wouldn't be posting if your intent wasnt to help the guy.. so instead of making a constructive post that provides valid infomation. You flame him. It just doesnt make sense.

Seems you're also a 'SHAKE DOESNT COUNT' parrot. I know a guy who takes sardines, eggs and cottage cheese, blends it up and chugs it. Doesnt count though eh..? At the end of the day, whey protein has the same amino acids that chicken, beef, pork contain. OBVIOUSLY it cannot be used as a sole source of protein, for a variety of reasons. But 2 shakes a day, along with 4 meals of protein from varying meat sources.
I think humans are just such visual creatures, and mabey i like playing devils advocate.

9am- Oats / whey / yogurt / milk / olive oil - 1350 cals.

11am - 5oz chicken + pasta - 400cals

1pm - 5oz turky + pasta - 400cals

3pm - 5oz chicken + pasta - 400cals

4pm - workout

6pm - oats / whey / yogurt / milk / olive oil - 1350cals

8pm - 5oz lean beef. - 400 cals

Obviously its not a perfect diet, theres plenty of stuff that could be improved, however it is easy to see that you could make very good gains of it. I know for a fact i could. One of the major problems is putting away so many cals in liquid form at one time, it wouldn't be hard to do something like remove the oats from the shake, and put them pre-workout with one of the chicken meals.

**n00bs** · 07-03-2010, 07:53 AM

There is more to life then protein fat and carb ratios, I see no fibre antioxidants proper minerals and phytochemicals. I'm sorry my postmisnt to your liking I am on an iPhone so it can be too intense it was hardly a flame just a boot in the arsenfrom our friend common sense! He seemed set in his mind to cycle maybe if enough people TELL him it isn't needed he will listen and 1 can be eavesdrop hassle. I stand by everything I said if you
Don't likenit I'm sory but it wasn't for you.

**flexandex** · 07-03-2010, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by n00bs;****890

There is more to life then protein fat and carb ratios, I see no fibre antioxidants proper minerals and phytochemicals. I'm sorry my postmisnt to your liking I am on an iPhone so it can be too intense it was hardly a flame just a boot in the arsenfrom our friend common sense! He seemed set in his mind to cycle maybe if enough people TELL him it isn't needed he will listen and 1 can be eavesdrop hassle. I stand by everything I said if you
Don't likenit I'm sory but it wasn't for you.

ofcourse, and you're right! all those things are needed, and hes getting them (i hope he just forgot to mention the lack of veges

).. the complete writing off of any type of shake rubs me the wrong way. I see plenty of antioxidants in his yogurt, fiber in his oats, minerals in the olive oil. etc etc. if thats the worst diet you've seen, christ, you are involved in some seriously dedicated company. My friends idea of a pre workout meal is a dbl cheese burger combo, BUT THEREZ LOTS OF CARBS IN TEH CHIPS?!?!

Yeah man, perhaps our combined approachs and same opinion will change his mind

. alot of times a kick in the ass over the net is just disregarded, but if the person can see that you are speaking logically to them, and not AT them, it can be alot more persuading.

btw.. where you from in aus??? im heading to the gold coast in november from nz

**n00bs** · 07-03-2010, 08:08 AM

I'm I Sydney. On my iPhone so like I said my replys are 2 the point as I hate this keyboard. I said bad diet because any mono diet had the possibility to cause problems and either end up as food intolerences problems like leaky gut ect. Shakes can be meal replacements if done properly. I'm looking at his diet from a nutritionists point of view not a body builder power lifter ect. I'll say it to everyone and il keep saying it, good multi fruit with breaky salad or vegies with each other meal...

**flexandex** · 07-03-2010, 08:12 AM

yeah for sure man, he could deffinitely benefit from fruit / vegies every other meal.

i know i could!

**gixxerboy1** · 07-03-2010, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by flexandex;****873

Its always quite hard correcting a mod, i hope you take this the right way:

2.5oz pasta is around 1cup, 40g carbs.
5oz chicken breast is around 60g protein

400cals for each of those meals.

the 2 shakes, 1350 each, 2700

The beef will be around 300-400cals depending how lean it actually is.

so yeah, infact, 2700 + 1200 + 300, with conservative estimates that diet is around 4200 calories. I dont think ronnie could cut on 4200 cals!

absolutely AMPLE for someone 6'1 and 175, the macronutrient ratio is quite good, as is the timing. If you are *honestly* eating this (which i don't think you are, day in, day out) then you will gain. There is no 2 ways about it.

Secondly.. in this case, his 'shakes' are as close to real food as you are going to come. What difference does it make having your oats + yogurt + glass of milk + whey blended together, as opposed to eating it seperately as a meal? Especially when he has 4 other whole food meals in there.

I know what someone who is 175 6'1 looks like, and as everyone has said it is farrr to small to start steroids . Take the pros advice, put it on the shelf for a year, atleast, and then re-evaluate. What have you got to lose? a year is nothing in the scheme of things..

Edit: as was mentioned aswell, you would really do well to add some vegies into that diet, chuck some broccoli / mixed vegez into your pasta/chicken meals.. hell, might spice them up a bit!

If you have the correct answer i have no problem you correcting me.

You said 2.5oz of pasta is 1 cup. 8 oz = a cup. So he isnt eating half a cup at his meals.

Even by your calculations he is getting half his calorie intake from shakes. Which isnt good. I'm not saying shakes dont have their place. But they shouldnt make up half of your intake. And half was using your figures. If you correct them for the actual amount of pasta its more then half his intake.

I stand by my post. His diet sucks for what he is trying to do.