starting to panic!

**Nooomoto** · 07-15-2010, 12:12 PM

basically so there is no confusion and you obviously are trying to make me look like an idiot....

i only started the dbol 4 days ago

So basically you have no idea what you've bought, and against all of our advice to not take anything, you went ahead and did it anyway. Now you're concerned about US trying to make YOU look like an IDIOT???

**CanYouDigIt** · 07-15-2010, 12:53 PM

lol, love how big tryed to help like 5 times, that's not like him, I guess he had a "big" heart today

deany he ain't trying to make you look like an idiot, you are an idiot.

you don't run PCT during a cycle PCT = POST CYCLE THERAPY , some people are just wow..

NOW YOU RUN PCT, POST CYCLE, we understand each other?

now you f'ed up you cycle because you were too eager to start, now deal with the consequences of waiting a little longuer, it's not the end of the world go on PCT, and in another 8 weeks jump back on the cycle when you get all ur stuff toguether pretty simple.

**wormwood** · 07-15-2010, 02:11 PM

When I first began contemplating AAS use I started researching, and after a couple of hours of research (though I didn't know much) I knew what a beginners cycle ought to look like, ancillaries and PCT included. Not trying to offend you OP but I don't understand how you could come up with that for your first cycle if you had actually done research.

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by deany1988

basically so there is no confusion and you obviously are trying to make me look like an idiot....
a few weeks ago i was going to run a test only cycle...so as i have run test before about a year ago...i thought i would try it again and do things properly this time...so i ordered it...
while down the gym some people advised me to try dbol with the test so i found a site on the net that sold dbol nolvadex and clomid as a package so i brought that and thought what do i have to loose...
i then joined up to this site...
then when talking to my mates and showed them what i had they said that what i had brought looked like winny...which i then found out was anabol...the yellow ones apparently new on the market...i checked out the tabs and they all seem ok...
once i had my dbol i had noticed how my test was taking a lot longer than i thought seeing as i had ordered it before the dbol...
today i was asking about the test and what to do you have all advised me what to do and thats cool thanks just don't need all the attitude from most people....as i am no "kid" i am a human being...
i only started the dbol 4 days ago

I was not trying to make you look like an idiot, I was displaying the lack of congruency of your threads.
by the way, your "explanation" did not explain why on the 9th you told us you had ordered winny yet on the 12th you seemed surprised when your mates told you that you had received winny...
in any event I need no explanations from you, my advice has been given and will not change, no reason for me to keep saying it. I (vaguely) remember what it is like to be young and anxious, but the advice I offered was for your own good, not mine, and when you are my age you will probably realize that.
good luck.

**dezza6969** · 07-15-2010, 03:01 PM

Big wasn't trying to 'make' you look like an idiot, you did that all by yourself. Your natural testosterone production is shut down on cycle, serms like nolva and clomid help your body to start producing it's own testosterone again after you finish a cycle. Yes these same drugs can be used 'on cycle' to combat estrogenic effects like gyno, but ur going about it all the wrong way. You need to read thoroughly every sticky in the q & a forum, and every sticky in the Pct forum, if you want to do the right thing by your body. Otherwise your gonna be the dickhead who comes off cycle and loses every bit of muscle gained and damages your endocrine system. Do yourself a favour and don't listen to the worthless, uneducated opinions in the gym to, your like dough in their hands facilitating their worthless ego trip. Listen to the blokes on here, especially vets like big, they know what they are talking about when it comes to using steroids properly and effectively. Notice they all seem to be giving you similar advice-listen

**Rando911** · 07-15-2010, 05:05 PM

If you only started 4 days ago, you prob dont even need a pct. Your body should recover quite quickly. Stop the D-bol and give your body some time to recover. Get all your supplies, then start the cycle. Read a lot. I mean a LOT. I read every single thing I could for almost a year before I was really ready for my first cycle. Dont get over-excited like everyone does. Be patient and do it correctly. Open your mind and take in these guys opinions. It may save your life...

**Rando911** · 07-15-2010, 05:07 PM

P.S. My first cycle, I did not have any antibiotics on hand. Yes, I did have everything else (PCT etc). One of the bottles was bad and I got a infection. Without antibiotics I was forced to go to the Dr... No fun. Make sure to have everything you MIGHT need.

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Rando911

P.S. My first cycle, I did not have any antibiotics on hand. Yes, I did have everything else (PCT etc). One of the bottles was bad and I got a infection. Without antibiotics I was forced to go to the Dr... No fun. Make sure to have everything you MIGHT need.

Though you ended up needing them, antibiotics isnt something i suggest to have on hand. All antibiotics arent the same so you have no clue which one you might end up needing.

Anytime you get and infection you should see a doctor and get properly prescribed what you need

**Jaakoppi** · 07-16-2010, 08:56 AM

What? I've read from here that you can run HCG DURING cycle not after that??

**Noles12** · 07-16-2010, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jaakoppi

What? I've read from here that you can run HCG DURING cycle not after that??

HCG is fine to be run during cycle. This was not the issue with the OP's cycle. There were multiple reasons why he was wrong including being too small, uneducated, running dbol without test, and thinking full PCT occurs during cycle

**AlphaGenetics** · 07-16-2010, 09:16 AM

Haha Why dosent the media ever show threads like this....Op, id put my two cents in but you would just think im part of this Big conspirasy against you.

**nilrac** · 07-16-2010, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Noles12

Though you ended up needing them, antibiotics isnt something i suggest to have on hand. All antibiotics arent the same so you have no clue which one you might end up needing.

Anytime you get and infection you should see a doctor and get properly prescribed what you need

I'd agree that you shouldn't need them on hand, however, a "broad spectrum" antibiotic would be very handy to have around if you got an infection. Classic example would be penicillin or amoxicillin.

I agree though, if you get an infection go and see your doctor, as it could be life threatening.

As for this thread, WOW.

**Lift-Eat-Repeat** · 07-16-2010, 11:48 AM

OP, you made a idiotic choice, that doesn't necessarily mean your an idiot. Maybe you are maybe your a genius. Even the smartest people make stupid mistakes, but the smart ones learn from them. Listen to Big, I know of very few people that know what he does on this subject. Yes you can use those substances during the cycle for estro control, but they do not factor at all into your PCT. Its as if you take protein before working out, or after it. They have different benefits but you still have to take in protein AFTER your workout even if you took some before. Make sense? Learn from your mistake and never start a cycle without all your gear. It happens alot more to first time users, because your overly excited, and why wouldn't you be? It is a lifestyle change and usually for the better, the thing is, is that you must do it 100% correctly or it will make your health alot worse off. I hoped I helped man, good luck. Stop the D-bol bro, trust me. Im asking because I don't you to mess up their endo system or have to HRT the rest of your life because you made a mistake.