getting ready for cycle of test/deca/winny....thoughts?

**MuscleMission** · 07-19-2010, 12:30 PM

gear just arrived. getting ready to do my 2nd cycle. consists of test/deca /winny. thinking about the following stack over 8 weeks. not written in stone, so constructive criticism welcome.

week 1-4 : test 300/deca 250
week 5-8 : test 300/winny 50mg EoD
PCT: clomid

STATS
39 yo
5'11
175lbs
bf: not sure, guessing around 10-12%

**ghettoboyd** · 07-19-2010, 12:40 PM

so your going to run the deca 4 weeks?...if so then you might as well save it for a future cycle cus that will yeild nothing....even the test at 300mg for 8 weeks is a bit short for a long ester and low dosed...not the best plan ever....id resonsider cus i feel youll be dissapointed imho...

**BROKEN** · 07-19-2010, 01:09 PM

yeah, that is not even a cycle

10 weeks sure ok, but 8 that is a complete waist IMHO

**MuscleMission** · 07-19-2010, 07:13 PM

ghettoboyd-

what you think if i take out deca , as you say, bump up the test to 400/week, then bring in the winny for a few weeks at end? this was supposed to be my summer cycle but gear came late and now summer half over (Not even sure deca is real...by BD...manufactured in 2008...when they apparently wern't making.)

**Knockout_Power** · 07-19-2010, 08:31 PM

if you want to run 8 weeks, you should use NPP instead of deca ... same gains without the water bloat and its active in your body much quicker than Deca.. thats what Im on right now and yes, up the test to 4-500/wk... forget the winny in my opinion.

**gymfu** · 07-19-2010, 08:42 PM

I ran test e for 9 weeks at 200mg every 3 days for my first. Too short. It didn't kick in strong till week 5 or 6 I only really got three good weeks.
Allthough I don't regret the dose I think it was a good starter for me.

**Knockout_Power** · 07-19-2010, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by gymfu

I ran test e for 9 weeks at 200mg every 3 days for my first. Too short. It didn't kick in strong till week 5 or 6 I only really got three good weeks.
Allthough I don't regret the dose I think it was a good starter for me.

nothing wrong with that dose, 4-500/wk is an excellent beginner cycle.

**MuscleMission** · 07-19-2010, 08:54 PM

thanks.
can't get my hands on NPP now.
wanted to do some winny for hard/vascular look. i've done test + deca before so i wanted to see how body did on winny.
no prob up'ing test to 400/wk. def do that

**Knockout_Power** · 07-19-2010, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleMission

thanks.
can't get my hands on NPP now.
wanted to do some winny for hard/vascular look. i've done test + deca before so i wanted to see how body did on winny.
no prob up'ing test to 400/wk. def do that

are you single digit bodyfat? If not, winny not going to do much but put strain on your body.

**MuscleMission** · 07-20-2010, 10:47 AM

am guessin my bf is in neigbhorhood of 10%. would post a pic but not sure how here

**MuscleMission** · 07-20-2010, 10:49 AM

here's current body. bf?

**baseline_9** · 07-20-2010, 11:09 AM

10-12% i recan, if u had a tan u wud look lower

**Neevor** · 07-20-2010, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleMission

here's current body. bf?

Yup that looks around 10%. Good job studly. Your cycle still sucks tho. It sounds like you wanted to be cutting? Should have gone with something besides Deca . You can still cut with Deca (I have, it will just cause you to gain a lot of water weight and not looked as ripped). You should extend the cycle to 10 weeks at least, front load the deca and test at 800mg each for the first two weeks, then drop to 400 and 200 for the next 6 weeks, then drop the deca and pick up the win at 50mgED for the last 4 weeks. That will give your body two weeks on the test and Win without deca and then two weeks for the win by itself to work its anti aromatizing benifits. Then a couple days after you stop the win start you PCT.

Rough cycle but you should drop to 6% if you work your diet right. Otherwise make it a lean mass building cycle and ad bulk while cutting a few more lbs of fat.

**Knockout_Power** · 07-20-2010, 12:46 PM

nah, I would say he is closer to 12-13%... I know people are different, but this was me when I was hydrostatically tested @ 10% and I thoguht I was still a little higher(11-12%)

**Knockout_Power** · 07-20-2010, 12:47 PM

Either way, you are close enough that if you tighten your diet this cycle you could drop those 5-8lbs to get single digits and the winny at the end would be worth it.

**MuscleMission** · 07-20-2010, 04:45 PM

that's what i wanted to do (add winny at end)
you still think i should NOT do the deca ? for four weeks in front of cycle?
(not sure it's real anyway--it's BD...manufactured 2008, which, was apparently when they were not producing.)