2nd cycle check

[gymfu]

Hey guys wanted to get this checked out.

30 yrs old
5' 11"
208 lbs
13-15% body fat
10 yrs training
first cycle: 200mg every three days of test e for nine weeks, 12.5mg EOD liquid stane,
250ius HCG every three days; PCT: clomid and nolvadex

Proposed cycle:
week 1-16: 600mg/wk test sust
week 1-12: 600mg/wk deca
week 1: d-bol 20mg/day
week 2-4: d-bol 30 or 40mg/day
week 10-18: hcg 250ius/every three days
week 1-21: 12.5mg EOD or ED liquid stane
PCT:
clomid therapy (300mg=1 day, 100mg=10 days, 50mg=10 days)
nolvadex 20mg/day

Not that it matters but I'm on 4ius of hgh now and will continue through out entire cycle.

Questions:
-Not sure if stane will be effective as a anti-proestrogen for the deca, as it worked well in my first cycle of test.
-I didn't want to add two new compounds but last cycle took forevvvvvver to start to kick in (like week 5 or 6)
-Do I need to run the hcg longer? start at begining of cycle?

Thanks guys!

[HawaiianPride.]

Look into Prami or Caber for your prolactin antagonizers.
HCG looks fine.
I'd cut the duration of your Test to 14 weeks.
The front load of 300mg Clomid is unnecessary, you can start off with 100mg.
21 days of PCT may be a bit short, I'd extend to at least a month or even 5 weeks.

[gymfu]

Ok there is a big diff in price between caber and prami, is prami just as good? What doses should this be used at? Does the Ar-r research chem work well?

Is 14 weeks long enough to build some good quality muscle? My last cycle I lost almost all the weight I gained, a freind of mine told me that my cycle was too short and I didn't build that much muscle, just water retension. Makes since because I didn't feel the test kick in till week 5 and not strong till week 6. So I only had 3 good weeks.

On the PCT is the clomid to 50mg ok and do I need to run the clomid at 50mg in the recomended extended time? Also is the ar-r research chems ok here as well?

Thanks for the help

[gymfu]

Also I was planning on using liv 52 and milk thistle for protection is this good enough?

[HawaiianPride.]

I've never purchased anything from Ar, so I cannot give you personal experience on their products. Although the feedback from this forum boards seems to be promising. I would imagine their lineup is g2g.

14 weeks is more than enough to build muscle What you gain from a cycle will depend upon diet, and your recovery protocol.

For a cycle like this a simple 100/100/50/50 C & 40/40/20/20 N should be enough. Extend a week or two only if necessary at the same dosages.

[HawaiianPride.]

Also I was planning on using liv 52 and milk thistle for protection is this good enough?

Yes that will work.

[gymfu]

What doses should I be using on camber or prami?

[HawaiianPride.]

.25mg 2x PW of Caber hits the sweet spot for me.

[gymfu]

I'm sorry does that mean .25mg twice a week?

[gymfu]

Can I mix the test and deca and take as one shot?

[HawaiianPride.]

Sorry, yeah. PW = per week. Yes you can mix and match in the same syringe.

[gymfu]

What doses would be good for the prami?
Anyone else have any opinions on this cycle?

[dec11]

What doses would be good for the prami?
Anyone else have any opinions on this cycle?

i agree on dropping the test down to 14wks, not really any benefit running 16wks, gains will have tapered off, apart from that it looks fine. oh, i wouldnt bother tapering dbol , just start at the dose your planning for the duration, 40mgs pd more than enuf imo

[gymfu]

never ran d-bol before, what dose should i run?
I am very acne prone and I'm afraid that I might loose some hair.

[gymfu]

Plan on getting on accutane after I finnish the d-bol

[dec11]

never ran d-bol before, what dose should i run?
I am very acne prone and I'm afraid that I might loose some hair.

25mg would be good enuf, i know a guy who gets great gains on 15-20mgs

[gymfu]

ok, i have 10mg tabs so I'll just run 20mg.
Thanks

[dec11]

ok, i have 10mg tabs so I'll just run 20mg.
Thanks

after a week in if you dont feel much, up it by 5mgs, you kinda have to find your sweet spot versus sides