Taking steroids while losing weight???

**DatDerCellTech** · 07-25-2010, 07:05 PM

Okay so I know it is better to wait untill you are at a lower body fat to cycle because of estro side effects. Now here is the thing me and a bro of mine have a $1,000 dollar bet to see who can change their body compostion the most over 16 weeks. I have been lifting for 3 years but have had a bad diet. I am 6'1 about 290 and I have alot of muscle but I am around 28% bodyfat. Now my question is the following a good cycle to help me either gain or keep my current muscle since I will be dieting. Also I know that he will be on gear as he told me he was.

Cycle-
Test-c: 500mg/week for 12 weeks
Dbol : 45mg/day for 4 weeks
Arimidex : .25 eod throughout cycle since I have a high bodyfat

PCT:
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva:40/40/20/20

Diet-
Meal 1: Oatmeal with 10 egg whites.
Meal 2: Protein shake with 2 rice cakes
Meal 3: Fish of choice(50 grams of protein worth) 1 cup veggies,1 cup brown rice.
Meal 4: Protein shake with 2 rice cakes
Meal 5: Fish of choice(50 grams of protein worth) 1 cup veggies,1 cup brown rice.
Meal 6: Cottage Cheese and sardies.

**DatDerCellTech** · 07-25-2010, 07:07 PM

Also the only reason for dbol is to kick start the cycle.

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-25-2010, 07:11 PM

You're risking a lot just for a bet man. Steroids shouldn't be toyed with. They are serious drugs, that can carry serious side effects. It's not worth it just for a little extra cash IMO.

**DatDerCellTech** · 07-25-2010, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

You're risking a lot just for a bet man. Steroids shouldn't be toyed with. They are serious drugs, that can carry serious side effects. It's not worth it just for some bet IMO.

Thanks for the advice man but I'm not toying with them that is why I'm asking. I know that the estro related sides are worst if you are over weight that is why I'm running arimidex throughout the cycle. I have heard of people taking test while losing weight to help them keep muscle.

**Ferdinand** · 07-25-2010, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by DatDerCellTech

Thanks for the advice man but I'm not toying with them that is why I'm asking. I know that the estro related sides are worst if you are over weight that is why I'm running arimidex throughout the cycle. I have heard of people taking test while losing weight to help them keep muscle.

Thats true, but that goes for people cutting and they dont have 28% BF...

At 28%bf u probably dont have the best BP, steroids wont help on that issue either.... there is not only estro side effects from steroids u know...

**DatDerCellTech** · 07-25-2010, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Ferdinand

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Thats true, but that goes for people cutting and they dont have 28% BF...

At 28%bf u probably dont have the best BP, steroids wont help on that issue either.... there is not only estro side effects from steroids u know...

I mean I am healthly I just finished my last year of playing college football and I played D-line so I had to keep my weight up. My BP is fine. I may be less than 28% that is just a guess.

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-25-2010, 07:26 PM

Well at least you understand the risks your putting yourself through. I will say this, if you do decide to run the cycle, take extra precautions. Monitor your BP daily, get blood work done intra cycle, along with post, and watch what you eat carefully.

Best of luck bro..

**DatDerCellTech** · 07-25-2010, 07:26 PM

Okay so I already have alot nolva on hand enough for PCT and during cycle if needed. So do I have to have arimidex or is it okay to use nolva in case of estro related side effects during cycle???

**DatDerCellTech** · 07-25-2010, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Well at least you understand the risks your putting yourself through. I will say this, if you do decide to run the cycle, take extra precautions. Monitor your BP daily, get blood work done intra cycle, along with post, and watch what you eat carefully.

Best of luck bro..

Thanks bro. Yeah I definitly will be getting blood test and will be watch my BP. Do you think I should run arimidex from the start or wait untill I get estro sides???

**Big** · 07-25-2010, 07:33 PM

threads merged

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-25-2010, 07:33 PM

The shitty thing about having too much BF, is you might not even realize any estrogenic related side effects arise. At a lower BF, it's much easier to trace. A lot of guys can have traces of Gyno and not even know it. Kinda scary.

Like I said before, take extra precautions, therefore run the Dex. Don't wait for a problem to arise. Or you can do play it smart, and not cycle :]

**DatDerCellTech** · 07-25-2010, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

The shitty thing about having too much BF, is you might not even realize any estrogenic related side effects arise. At a lower BF, it's much easier to trace. A lot of guys can have traces of Gyno and not even know it. Kinda scary.

Like I said before, take extra precautions, therefore run the Dex. Don't wait for a problem to arise. Or you can do play it smart, and not cycle :]

Should I run dex at .25 eod or nolva at 10mg a day

**Bonaparte** · 07-25-2010, 10:43 PM

At you BF level, you'd be better off running a cutting cycle (though I think that this whole idea isn't too bright). Dbol and Test is just going to blow you up more (unless you cut cals way low). I'd be looking into Anavar , Primo, and T3. Oh, and is somebody going to be judging this, or are you guys just going to argue over who won?

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-25-2010, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by DatDerCellTech

Should I run dex at .25 eod or nolva at 10mg a day

If I give you further advice and you win, I'm calling 50% of the earnings

**40plusnewbie** · 07-26-2010, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by DatDerCellTech

Okay so I know it is better to wait untill you are at a lower body fat to cycle because of estro side effects. Now here is the thing me and a bro of mine have a $1,000 dollar bet to see who can change their body compostion the most over 16 weeks.

So if I was your bro you were betting with and I choose to eat a 10,000 cal/day diet high in bad carbs and bad fats and laid in bed all day every day over the next 16 weeks and gained 80 lbs of fat I would have the chance of blowing doors off of you and winning?

The bet seems reckless and ill defined IMO and your messing with serious drugs.

**sprinter911** · 07-26-2010, 05:18 AM

Best of luck to you bro. How much cardio are you doing or planning on doing?

**NMacFar** · 07-26-2010, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by 40plusnewbie

So if I was your bro you were betting with and I choose to eat a 10,000 cal/day diet high in bad carbs and bad fats and laid in bed all day every day over the next 16 weeks and gained 80 lbs of fat I would have the chance of blowing doors off of you and winning?

The bet seems reckless and ill defined IMO and your messing with serious drugs.

Prove it!!!!!! lol

**NVR2BIG1** · 07-26-2010, 06:44 AM

Thats the worst type of cycle for this bet of yours. You need faster esters that will retain less water. I would use test prop and anavar wks 1-8, and switch from anavar to winstrol wks 8-16. Even if all you can afford is to run 20-30mg/day anavar, for fat loss its worth it.

**DatDerCellTech** · 07-26-2010, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by 40plusnewbie

So if I was your bro you were betting with and I choose to eat a 10,000 cal/day diet high in bad carbs and bad fats and laid in bed all day every day over the next 16 weeks and gained 80 lbs of fat I would have the chance of blowing doors off of you and winning?

The bet seems reckless and ill defined IMO and your messing with serious drugs.

What are you talking about??? When I said changing body composition I mean the ratio of fat to muscle. We want to gain muscle and lose fat.

**DatDerCellTech** · 07-26-2010, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

At you BF level, you'd be better off running a cutting cycle (though I think that this whole idea isn't too bright). Dbol and Test is just going to blow you up more (unless you cut cals way low). I'd be looking into Anavar, Primo, and T3. Oh, and is somebody going to be judging this, or are you guys just going to argue over who won?

We are getting a bodpod body composition test on day 1 and then again on the last day. We have the same build and he did play football with me.