critque my m-drol cycle.

**boyoboyo** · 07-29-2010, 02:03 PM

week 1: 10mg
week 2: 20mg
week 3: 20mg

for PCT ill be running Nolva.

supplements running with the cycle will include, red yeast rice & liv 52.

do i need anything else? and could someone recomend how ishould dose my PCT and for how long?

**boyoboyo** · 07-29-2010, 03:34 PM

anyone?

**Bonaparte** · 07-29-2010, 03:46 PM

Well, its an M-Drol cycle...so there's a pretty big problem in itself.

Use NAC at 3 grams a day for your liver.
Red yeast rice isn't going to do shit. Save your money.
Get some bulk taurine and take 5 grams a day for back-pumps.
I would run the SD at 20mg straight through.

Nolva should be 20/20/20/20

**boyoboyo** · 07-29-2010, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Well, its an M-Drol cycle...so there's a pretty big problem in itself.

Use NAC at 3 grams a day for your liver.
Red yeast rice isn't going to do shit. Save your money.
Get some bulk taurine and take 5 grams a day for back-pumps.
I would run the SD at 20mg straight through.

Nolva should be 20/20/20/20

iv allready bought the red yeast rice, so disregard it?

as for the nolva,im pretty shure iv read most people start higher then taper it down somewhat?

**Bonaparte** · 07-29-2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by boyoboyo

iv allready bought the red yeast rice, so disregard it?

as for the nolva,im pretty shure iv read most people start higher then taper it down somewhat?

The red yeast rice available OTC today is devoid of the active ingredient that made it effective. The ****ing FDA decided that it was cutting into their Lovastatin sales (same active ingredient), so they made sure to ban anything with a decent active extract content for OTC sale.
Also, you would not want to use Lovastatin (or any statin) because they are liver toxic, so you'd kinda be shooting yourself in the foot there. Also, (and I forget the explanation) statins won't help to correct cholesterol while still using the offending compound, only after.
You're not gonna drop dead from poor lipids for 3 weeks.

And there is no need to take more than 20mg/day of Nolva, since recent studies have shown no benefit to using 40mg vs 20mg. Just more side effects.

**boyoboyo** · 07-29-2010, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

The red yeast rice available OTC today is devoid of the active ingredient that made it effective. The ****ing FDA decided that it was cutting into their Lovastatin sales (same active ingredient), so they made sure to ban anything with a decent active extract content for OTC sale.
Also, you would not want to use Lovastatin (or any statin) because they are liver toxic, so you'd kinda be shooting yourself in the foot there. Also, (and I forget the explanation) statins won't help to correct cholesterol while still using the offending compound, only after.
You're not gonna drop dead from poor lipids for 3 weeks.

And there is no need to take more than 20mg/day of Nolva, since recent studies have shown no benefit to using 40mg vs 20mg. Just more side effects.

thanks for the info man.
so during cycle run milk thistle, nac and liv 52?

and then for PCT just nolva for 3 weeks at 20mg?

**Bonaparte** · 07-29-2010, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by boyoboyo

thanks for the info man.
so during cycle run milk thistle, nac and liv 52?

and then for PCT just nolva for 3 weeks at 20mg?

Bingo. Though you could easily just get by with the NAC, as its the only thing really proven to help your liver.

**boyoboyo** · 07-29-2010, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Bingo. Though you could easily just get by with the NAC, as its the only thing really proven to help your liver.

everyone allways mentions milk thistle tho?
and you dont think anything else is needed alongside the nolva.

**Bonaparte** · 07-29-2010, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by boyoboyo

everyone allways mentions milk thistle tho?
and you dont think anything else is needed alongside the nolva.

"everyone" mentions a lot of stupid shit. Like homeopathic medicine...and Dane Cook. lol

As far as anyone knows, milk thistle MAY help your liver, but most oral preparations have very poor oral bioavailability. If you have cash to blow, you could pick up some of Primordial Performance's "Liver Juice", which is supposed to be much more bioavailable, but it won't help nearly as much as NAC for the money. Just don't drink on cycle and you'll be fine.

Nolva will be plenty for a 3-week oral cycle. We're not talking 19-nors here.

**boyoboyo** · 07-29-2010, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

"everyone" mentions a lot of stupid shit. Like homeopathic medicine...and Dane Cook. lol

As far as anyone knows, milk thistle MAY help your liver, but most oral preparations have very poor oral bioavailability. If you have cash to blow, you could pick up some of Primordial Performance's "Liver Juice", which is supposed to be much more bioavailable, but it won't help nearly as much as NAC for the money. Just don't drink on cycle and you'll be fine.

Nolva will be plenty for a 3-week oral cycle. We're not talking 19-nors here.

thanks for the advice. you said you'd recomend some taurnine as well right?

**Ashop** · 07-29-2010, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by boyoboyo

week 1: 10mg
week 2: 20mg
week 3: 20mg

for PCT ill be running Nolva.

supplements running with the cycle will include, red yeast rice & liv 52.

do i need anything else? and could someone recomend how ishould dose my PCT and for how long?

I would run the same PCT as you would with any other AAS cycle.
You could stack it with some TEST PROP or SUSPENSION.

**darkcrayz** · 07-29-2010, 11:12 PM

i ran
mdrol weeks 1-4 30mg/day
hdrol weeks 5-6 100mg/day

run a normal pct, nolva/clomid.

you will probably need aromasin on hand for gyno, i needed it.

should have gotten taurine for back pumps, work in a warehouse, had some wicked pumps, didnt though, just worked through it.

just what i ran.

**boyoboyo** · 07-30-2010, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by darkcrayz

i ran
mdrol weeks 1-4 30mg/day
hdrol weeks 5-6 100mg/day

run a normal pct, nolva/clomid.

you will probably need aromasin on hand for gyno, i needed it.

should have gotten taurine for back pumps, work in a warehouse, had some wicked pumps, didnt though, just worked through it.

just what i ran.

im only doing a 3 cycle, its my first time.
and wont nolva cover any possible gyno issues? besides i heard gyno's pretty rare on m-drol?

**Bonaparte** · 07-30-2010, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by boyoboyo

im only doing a 3 cycle, its my first time.
and wont nolva cover any possible gyno issues? besides i heard gyno's pretty rare on m-drol?

Though it isn't a progestin, some guys do experience prolactin side effects with SD for some unknown reason. It would be a good idea to keep some letro on hand for this reason, but you most likely won't encounter any such problems. Would Nolva cover it? Probably.

**boyoboyo** · 07-30-2010, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Though it isn't a progestin, some guys do experience prolactin side effects with SD for some unknown reason. It would be a good idea to keep some letro on hand for this reason, but you most likely won't encounter any such problems. Would Nolva cover it? Probably.

iv never heard of anyone suffer fin that way from m-drol before?
letro is gonna be very hard for me to get hold of, but your saying im good to go with jus tthe nolva for PCT?

**Bonaparte** · 07-30-2010, 05:31 AM

Yeah, Nolva will do fine. Most guys who get gyno issues from SD only encounter them long after "PCT", so they call it "delayed gyno". There is no such thing as "delayed gyno". it is just that they ran a shitty OTC AI for their PCT and never recovered, leading to a hormonal imbalance that eventually manifested itself in the form of gyno.

**boyoboyo** · 08-03-2010, 12:54 PM

a few more questions before i go ahead with this.

1. do you recomend I have an AI on hand? or am i ok with just nolva?

2. in the case that i start to notice nipple iritation or gyno, what would be the best cause of action in terms of carrying on or not and what i should be taking.