newbie wanting advice! winniw/test prop

**deep85** · 08-09-2010, 06:07 PM

Long time reader, first time poster.. go easy!! im sure these questions have been answered elsewere so sorry if im a bore!

Il give a very brief history of myself....

Im 24, 5ft 6, stalky, 160 pound and at a guess id say my b/f is 15% have been weight lifting on and off for 4 years. I have a number of prohormone cycles under my belt, epistane, superdrol etc..

Bench: 190
Squat: 240
Curl: with 40's
dead lift: 210

all for 6-8 reps

My aim at the minute is to cut up, add lean body mass and break my benching plateau!! So after much research I am considering a cycle somthing like this..

weeks 1-10: test prop, 50ml EOD
weeks 1-3: epistane 30mg ED (finishing a btl)
weeks 6-10: winnie 50mg ED

Hows that sound? My diet is clean but as im not aiming to bulk up my calorie intake will not be massine. 200g protein, 100g carbs max

PCT: PLEASE ADVISE ME iv read conflicting reports.

was thinking nolva 40/40/30/20?? do you start immediately or wait a few days?

ALSO.. needle wise, what gauge, length etc?

im ready to start so if anyone is interested il make regular updates and posts with pics

thanks for the help in advice guys!

**SG2009** · 08-09-2010, 07:12 PM

welcome to the board, cycle looks good for newbie. I think you need to review your pct for optimum results and sides prevention. Do some research.

**stevey_6t9** · 08-09-2010, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by SG2009

welcome to the board, cycle looks good for newbie. I think you need to review your pct for optimum results and sides prevention. Do some research.

or not do another cycle until he learns how to eat properly woith those stats?

**deep85** · 08-09-2010, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

or not do another cycle until he learns how to eat properly woith those stats?

are you calling me over weight or under weight? bear in mind i am only 5ft 6!

my diet is clean.... no junk ever, pretty much consists of egg, chicken, turkey, steak and rice.

**boxin23** · 08-09-2010, 07:56 PM

Hey bro good luck to you on your goals and welcome.

So what I read was that you wanted to do this cycle to break your bench press plateau and also get shredded some.

Well hey man you don't need AAS to do that. I am your size and my bench is 285 which is nothing to brag about considering I was doing almost that 20 years ago. I was on the state weight lifting team and took 1st in state at 122 llbs with a bench press of 245. Not bad for a skinny guy. So all im saying here is i can help you get way passed your 190 mark with nothing. Then if you decide to cycle you will pass the mark you made while training natty like it was standing still.....GUARANTEED!

A simple way (and program the University of Washington football team used to use) to consistently gain on bench press and other lifts:

5 sets like this:

1 set of 10 - this should be a warm up set
1 set of 7 - it should be hard to get 7 on this lift
1 set of 5- it should be hard to get 5 on this lift
1 set of 3- it should be hard to get 3 on this lift
1 set of 10- this should be a cool down set and also rotate this in with doing a set of 1 rep (your max) every 3 times you lift that muscle group.

You will see continued gains until you plateau. Then reconsider your cycle.

If you do this you could easily get to 250 and then crush that.

I AM NOT TRYING TO DEBATE THE WORKOUT ROUTINE HERE. THIS IS WHAT MY COLLEGE USED IN THEIR FOOTBALL PROGRAM AND I AM ONLY SPEAKING FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

Best of luck to you. Comments welcome !

**G4R** · 08-09-2010, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by deep85

are you calling me over weight or under weight? bear in mind i am only 5ft 6!

my diet is clean.... no junk ever, pretty much consists of egg, chicken, turkey, steak and rice.

Lets see....

Lay out your diet in details for me. I have a template put up, and I would like you to put your daily meals and macros into the template. I only put up 4 meals, but obviously you need at least 6 meals, no more than 3 hours apart.

Meal 1:
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

Meal 2:
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

Meal 3:
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

Meal 4:
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

Etc. etc. etc.

Total: (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

**deep85** · 08-09-2010, 08:50 PM

Meal 1:
omelette..4 eggs 2 yokes
20g protein shake

Meal 2:
40g post workout shake
apple/bannana etc

Meal 3:
pre work out shake 40g

Meal 4:
2 chicken breast.salad/boiled rice or steak ande salad etc

meal 5:

celery with peanut butter, yoghurt

Meal 6: bed time shake 20g

thts varys from day to day but its always roughly similar
Etc. etc. etc.

Total: (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

**deep85** · 08-09-2010, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by boxin23

Hey bro good luck to you on your goals and welcome.

So what I read was that you wanted to do this cycle to break your bench press plateau and also get shredded some.

Well hey man you don't need AAS to do that. I am your size and my bench is 285 which is nothing to brag about considering I was doing almost that 20 years ago. I was on the state weight lifting team and took 1st in state at 122 llbs with a bench press of 245. Not bad for a skinny guy. So all im saying here is i can help you get way passed your 190 mark with nothing. Then if you decide to cycle you will pass the mark you made while training natty like it was standing still.....GUARANTEED!

A simple way (and program the University of Washington football team used to use) to consistently gain on bench press and other lifts:

5 sets like this:

1 set of 10 - this should be a warm up set
1 set of 7 - it should be hard to get 7 on this lift
1 set of 5- it should be hard to get 5 on this lift
1 set of 3- it should be hard to get 3 on this lift
1 set of 10- this should be a cool down set and also rotate this in with doing a set of 1 rep (your max) every 3 times you lift that muscle group.

You will see continued gains until you plateau. Then reconsider your cycle.

If you do this you could easily get to 250 and then crush that.

I AM NOT TRYING TO DEBATE THE WORKOUT ROUTINE HERE. THIS IS WHAT MY COLLEGE USED IN THEIR FOOTBALL PROGRAM AND I AM ONLY SPEAKING FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

Best of luck to you. Comments welcome !

thanks for the information..you have inspired me to work at it.

i train hard and i no i will eventually break the plateau lol

but i just thought id give the darkside ago to see what gains i could make out of curiosity.

**deep85** · 08-09-2010, 08:56 PM

and excuse my spelling mistakes... im in ireland and its currently 3 am... maybe this is why im not growing lol

**boxin23** · 08-09-2010, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by deep85

and excuse my spelling mistakes... im in ireland and its currently 3 am... maybe this is why im not growing lol

Oh shit..that is funny....

yeah no later than 10:30 and don't wake before 6:30....HA...

I can't follow the bed time but have no problem waking up later than 6:30!

GL...