pt-141 . . . BETTER than viagra???

**richtries** · 08-15-2010, 05:19 AM

Is this true? I've read it not only helps with erections but gives you increased sexual desire to. Could it be used in the same ways as mt2 (since it is one of the main ingredients of mt2) with a loading phase then maintenance in order to give higher libido through cycles incorporating compounds with sexual sides i.e 19-nors.

Be interested to hear any experiences not a lot when you use the search function on this.

**SuperBird** · 08-15-2010, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by richtries

Is this true? I've read it not only helps with erections but gives you increased sexual desire to. Could it be used in the same ways as mt2 (since it is one of the main ingredients of mt2) with a loading phase then maintenance in order to give higher libido through cycles

you should just look down the thread list here at the pt141 thread not far under this one. read that. it doesnt help everyone. if you have other issues your out of luck. libido is not easy to straighten.

**richtries** · 08-15-2010, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by SuperBird

you should just look down the thread list here at the pt141 thread not far under this one. read that. it doesnt help everyone. if you have other issues your out of luck. libido is not easy to straighten.

couldn't find it bro

**SuperBird** · 08-15-2010, 06:20 AM

ah sorry, go to the AR-R products forum.........

http://forums.steroid.com/questions-comments-rui-products/

pt-141 Pt141 A

gyno Pt141 B different thread.

**SuperBird** · 08-15-2010, 06:24 AM

delete me. it doubled.

**Ashop** · 08-15-2010, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by richtries

Is this true? I've read it not only helps with erections but gives you increased sexual desire to. Could it be used in the same ways as mt2 (since it is one of the main ingredients of mt2) with a loading phase then maintenance in order to give higher libido through cycles incorporating compounds with sexual sides i.e 19-nors.

Be interested to hear any experiences not a lot when you use the search function on this.

Better than VIAGRA or CIALIS? I would have to say no at least not yet.
I have noticed an effect but nothing major at a dosage of 1mg. I was told most males need a 2mg dose for results.

**richtries** · 08-15-2010, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by ****

Better than VIAGRA or CIALIS? I would have to say no at least not yet.
I have noticed an effect but nothing major at a dosage of 1mg. I was told most males need a 2mg dose for results.

keep us posted on your results buddy, my bro is taking mt2 and is getting rock hard boners all day long!?

**956Vette** · 08-15-2010, 04:35 PM

Melanocortins are completely different than PDE5s...you mention desire. The aphrodisiac of PT-141 is the same as MT-2 and there are plenty of reasons and protocols for use.

**956Vette** · 08-15-2010, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by richtries

keep us posted on your results buddy, my bro is taking mt2 and is getting rock hard boners all day long!?

The MT-2 experience is a trip

Just doesnt happen for everyone (for a whole host of reasons/variables)

**richtries** · 08-15-2010, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by 956Vette

Melanocortins are completely different than PDE5s...you mention desire. The aphrodisiac of PT-141 is the same as MT-2 and there are plenty of reasons and protocols for use.

do you think it could help on sexually suppressive cycles like deca /tren ? can it be taken accross periods of time or is it just for one off use?

**956Vette** · 08-15-2010, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by richtries

do you think it could help on sexually suppressive cycles like deca/tren? can it be taken accross periods of time or is it just for one off use?

Intermittently, as needed, recreationally, sparingly...not sure how to phrase it appropriate. Pt isnt really taken like MT-2 as user goals differ. At the same time it has a particular learning curve assoc with its use. But yes, it should have an effect (and be a compliment to a PDE5) during deca /tren /pct/etc issues as it works via the hypothalamus

**richtries** · 08-15-2010, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by 956Vette

Intermittently, as needed, recreationally, sparingly...not sure how to phrase it appropriate. Pt isnt really taken like MT-2 as user goals differ. At the same time it has a particular learning curve assoc with its use. But yes, it should have an effect (and be a compliment to a PDE5) during deca/tren/pct/etc issues as it works via the hypothalamus

sounds like its worth a whirl then, on npp at the mo and adex which seems to have reduced my sex drive somewhat, but have a girl coming to visit in a few weeks so prob try it out for a week, good starting dose is 0.5 ed right?

**dec11** · 08-15-2010, 05:46 PM

i dont get the hype over mt2 for boners, yeah i maybe did once or twice in the morns but no where near whats being touted, and it certainly neva increased libido

**richtries** · 08-15-2010, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

i dont get the hype over mt2 for boners, yeah i maybe did once or twice in the morns but no where near whats being touted, and it certainly neva increased libido

yeah i've heard mixed reports to . . .

**956Vette** · 08-15-2010, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by richtries

sounds like its worth a whirl then, on npp at the mo and adex which seems to have reduced my sex drive somewhat, but have a girl coming to visit in a few weeks so prob try it out for a week, good starting dose is 0.5 ed right?

You got it, best of luck!

**SuperBird** · 08-15-2010, 07:46 PM

what im learning is that it does perform as well as its touted. there are more than enough testimonies to that. Vette can give you links to many.

so its foolish to say that it doesnt do this or that. it may not for YOU, but it has for a great deal others.

the deal is that we all have varying chemical profiles that change continuously especially among us AAS users. It hasnt worked for me yet, but that doesnt mean i dont believe in it, im still an optimist about the stuff, but i certainly have other issues going on within that need to be addressed and straightened out before this stuff will do its job for me. levels high, levels low, receptors inhibited, if your not in tune its not going to be effective.

**amcon** · 08-15-2010, 08:44 PM

ehhhh... 141 was ok, cialis worked much better... i used doses from .2 cc to 1 cc, injected one day only and injected every day for three days note nothing in diffrence from injecting mutipul days.

cialias gets me up hard and ready for action - 141 got me flushed quickly and half hard, desired for sex was not really very noticable....

**956Vette** · 08-15-2010, 08:55 PM

I see that MT-2 users often dig the experience and seek out the PT for recreational usage. PT is the choice when they dont want their skin tone altered. There will be rave reviews out and about (men's journal article for one) and they are certainly legit (the experiences). for each success story there are likely a dozen stories of disappointment with PT. I didnt quite understand or appreciate the libido effects of MT-2 until I was a seasoned user. For someone to figure out PT initially is a feat in itself.

**SuperBird** · 08-15-2010, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by amcon

ehhhh... 141 was ok, cialis worked much better... i used doses from .2 cc to 1 cc, injected one day only and injected every day for three days note nothing in diffrence from injecting mutipul days.

cialias gets me up hard and ready for action - 141 got me flushed quickly and half hard, desired for sex was not really very noticable....

i understand what your saying, but your comparing as if they are supposed to do the same thing.

ipt141 effects the pituitary gland in the brain, working as dopemine hightening drive, what good is a boner without mental hornyness.

cialis drives blood to the dick. its sensless to compare the two. it depends on what your need is between the two. if you dont have horny issues and can get hard then of course you dont need IPT.

you cant say cialis works better than ipt, because cialis doesnt make you mentally horny. its job is to only give you wood. ipt doesnt make you hard, it makes you horny. if you have hardness issues take cialis with it.

IPT is to be used WITH cialis. get horny, get hard.

the idea is to use prami or caber to keep prolactin levels down and keep your sexual chemistry balanced. then ipt to highten mental hornyness, then cialis to get your tool hard.

you cant compare them, you can only say which one you didnt need.

my reply is just to differentiate the two, not to stir argument.

i understand you.

**bigpapabuff** · 08-16-2010, 02:17 AM

with ed I think it's all personal preference, whatever works for you is whats best.

**richtries** · 08-16-2010, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by 956Vette

I see that MT-2 users often dig the experience and seek out the PT for recreational usage. PT is the choice when they dont want their skin tone altered. There will be rave reviews out and about (men's journal article for one) and they are certainly legit (the experiences). for each success story there are likely a dozen stories of disappointment with PT. I didnt quite understand or appreciate the libido effects of MT-2 until I was a seasoned user. For someone to figure out PT initially is a feat in itself.

do you think a loading phase could be beneficial with pt same as mt2?

**956Vette** · 08-16-2010, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by richtries

do you think a loading phase could be beneficial with pt same as mt2?

Not particularly, no. Only if PT-141 is your first melanotan peptide to experiment with - it is wise to figure out which dose does what, when, how...

**dec11** · 08-16-2010, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by SuperBird

what im learning is that it does perform as well as its touted. there are more than enough testimonies to that. Vette can give you links to many.

so its foolish to say that it doesnt do this or that. it may not for YOU, but it has for a great deal others.

the deal is that we all have varying chemical profiles that change continuously especially among us AAS users. It hasnt worked for me yet, but that doesnt mean i dont believe in it, im still an optimist about the stuff, but i certainly have other issues going on within that need to be addressed and straightened out before this stuff will do its job for me. levels high, levels low, receptors inhibited, if your not in tune its not going to be effective.

yawn, good for you

ever heard of exaggeration?

**956Vette** · 08-16-2010, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

yawn, good for you

ever heard of exaggeration?

Care to share what you feel is an exaggeration?

Maybe you are associating the yawning effect that bremelanotide has as it pertains to melanocortins and sexual function/behavior? In that case you are correct, Melanotan 2/PT-141 induces episodes of stretching, yawning, and penile erection (in rat study).

**dec11** · 08-16-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by 956Vette

Care to share what you feel is an exaggeration?

Maybe you are associating the yawning effect that bremelanotide has as it pertains to melanocortins and sexual function/behavior? In that case you are correct, Melanotan 2/PT-141 induces episodes of stretching, yawning, and penile erection (in rat study).

ive used it extensively, only when ive had a break from it for a while, do i get morning wood once or twice, on resuming use. ive used it at various doses and alongside aas, and i truely believe the libido thing is utter hype (id no rise in libido at all, while on test or off test), as does a mate of mine who also has used it alot.

the yawn i referred to was out of boredom from a certain other persons post.

**956Vette** · 08-16-2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

ive used it extensively, only when ive had a break from it for a while, do i get morning wood once or twice, on resuming use. ive used it at various doses and alongside aas, and i truely believe the libido thing is utter hype (id no rise in libido at all, while on test or off test), as does a mate of mine who also has used it alot.

the yawn i referred to was out of boredom from a certain other persons post.

Interesting, appreciate it dec. Good to hear input from the other side. Many are not aware of the tachyphylaxis and desensitization associated with its use.

I take a strong counter position as I believe it has effect on desire, libido and erections. PT-141 is not hype, but a peptide with a niche market. There is plenty of data out there to argue my side, unfortunately non (or subtle responders like dec11) don't have such luxury. It would be interesting to know why an individual would have no libido effects from particular melanocortin agonists (outside of mutations, etc).

**dec11** · 08-16-2010, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by 956Vette

Interesting, appreciate it dec. Good to hear input from the other side. Many are not aware of the tachyphylaxis and desensitization associated with its use.

I take a strong counter position as I believe it has effect on desire, libido and erections. PT-141 is not hype, but a peptide with a niche market. There is plenty of data out there to argue my side, unfortunately non (or subtle responders like dec11) don't have such luxury. It would be interesting to know why an individual would have no libido effects from particular melanocortin agonists (outside of mutations, etc).

all i can say is its given me morning wood on afew occasions but there was no mental arousal alongside this at all. seems to be a mechanical rather than mental stimulation in my situation and the same for my mate, and even at that, its very infrequent

**Ashop** · 08-16-2010, 05:33 PM

I'm going to try 2mg dose the next few times and see what happens.

**SuperBird** · 08-16-2010, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

yawn, good for you

ever heard of exaggeration?

ever heard of your posts are useless and annoying?

50 percent of your posts you act like a school bus monitor with that special kid badge. and you have absolutely nothing useful to read whatsoever.

10 percent of your posts have to be corrected. so your knowledge is useless.

20 percent of your posts are arrogant and say nothing interesting.

the final 20 percent of your posts i dont know, because i dont bother to read them anymore.

you definately standout as someone annoying in this forum. do more reading, and less posting. thats a big favor to everyone. mate.

**dec11** · 08-17-2010, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by SuperBird

ever heard of your posts are useless and annoying?

50 percent of your posts you act like a school bus monitor with that special kid badge. and you have absolutely nothing useful to read whatsoever.

10 percent of your posts have to be corrected. so your knowledge is useless.

20 percent of your posts are arrogant and say nothing interesting.

the final 20 percent of your posts i dont know, because i dont bother to read them anymore.

you definately standout as someone annoying in this forum. do more reading, and less posting. thats a big favor to everyone. mate.

more like Supercock lol

have you actually used any of the stuff your slabbering on about? another dumb kid.