**What 3 would you pick**

[baseline_9]

If you had to choose 2 other steroids (other than test) which would they be?

Imagine the 2 compounds were going to last you a life time.

You dont want any highly supressive compounds or highly toxic!

Money is noy an issue.

Your health / HPTA are what you are more concerned about over the long term.

So what two drugs would you choose to have an unlimited supply of (other than test)?

[wnehme]

HGH and Primo

[Diamond*K]

Var and gh

[Swifto]

HGH and Primo

Agreed!

[marcus300]

GH & Masteron .................................along side my hrt

[HawaiianPride.]

Masteroni/Growth/T

[Vitruvian-Man]

HGH and Primo

smart man.

x3

most people don't realize what a gram of primo/wk can do to your body!

-VM

[baseline_9]

Mast and primo being similar (i believe)

Ie lean slow solid gains?

Both favorites in cutting cycles?

[HawaiianPride.]

I use Mast in every cycle regardless of my goals.

[tembe]

I use Mast in every cycle regardless of my goals.

how come you enjoy masteron so much hawaiian?

[wnehme]

smart man.

x3

most people don't realize what a gram of primo/wk can do to your body!

-VM

Why thankyou kind sir..

[baseline_9]

I use Mast in every cycle regardless of my goals.

Intresting

And what do you think it adds to your cycles, for example a cy le where you are aiming to gain as much LBM as possible

I understand it does not convert to estrogen so im asuming a high dose can be run if MPB is not an issue.

[HawaiianPride.]

how come you enjoy masteron so much hawaiian?

Keeps water under control the same way any AI would. Reduces the amount of Estro formed from other anabolics. Allows test to exert more anabolic effects. Ill side effects are rather low and since I'm a big fan of blast cycles I can usually use it as a cutting agent to mask the pain from other shorter compounds. The real question here is, why not use it.

[baseline_9]

Thanks to you guys and girls for posting up your thorts.

Looks like you get what you pay for as far as bodybuilding drugs go aswell, with the exeption of test ofcorse.

[baseline_9]

Keeps water under control the same way any AI would. Reduces the amount of Estro formed from other anabolics. Allows test to exert more anabolic effects. Ill side effects are rather low and since I'm a big fan of blast cycles I can usually use it as a cutting agent to mask the pain from other shorter compounds. The real question here is, why not use it.

Does addin Mast actually produce that much of an anti-estrogenic effect tho.

Or is it like spending an extra £100 to save £1.99

If u get my analogy LOL

[Swifto]

smart man.

x3

most people don't realize what a gram of primo/wk can do to your body!

-VM

wk 1-8 Dbol 20mg/ED
wk 1-14 Test Enan 250-500-250-125mg/wk
wk 1-14 600-800mg/wk Primo Enan

*HCG 250ius 2x week
*Aromasin 10mg/EOD

Swifto's next cycle....

[HawaiianPride.]

Does addin Mast actually produce that much of an anti-estrogenic effect tho.

Or is it like spending an extra £100 to save £1.99

If u get my analogy LOL

Since DP is 5aa it can't form E upon interactino with the aromatase enzyme although it still does show a semi-high affinity for it. I still take advantage of Exe and always tell people to never replace Mast for an AI.

[baseline_9]

So it looks like Primo and growth win

Mast being up there with the Primo

If GH was out which 2 would it be, AAS specific

[HawaiianPride.]

Probably just those 2 then.

I would never stay on a 19nor for the rest of my life regardless of the dosage and same goes for any oral.

[wnehme]

primo and equipoise

[baseline_9]

primo and equipoise

Ive got a feeling u might get flamed for saying EQ

[HugeLifter]

Tren and Anavar . (dbol is tempting too)

[wnehme]

maybe ...but if you were doing it for long period use minimal amounts

[HawaiianPride.]

Ive got a feeling u might get flamed for saying EQ

If EQ served more benefits at lower dosages this would have been my pick of choice. It doesn't do anything for me below 600mg and I wouldn't want to run that for the rest of my life.

[Vitruvian-Man]

So it looks like Primo and growth win

Mast being up there with the Primo

If GH was out which 2 would it be, AAS specific

Primo is a far better compound, most people don't know about this because primo does truly cost an arm and a leg; even brewing it yourself.

Best two compounds without HGH or Testosterone .... Primo @ 1g+/wk and Anavar @ 100 - 150mg/ed hands down.

Most will say tren .... sides>benefits for me on that one though.

wk 1-8 Dbol 20mg/ED
wk 1-14 Test Enan 250-500-250-125mg/wk
wk 1-14 600-800mg/wk Primo Enan

*HCG 250ius 2x week
*Aromasin 10mg/EOD

Swifto's next cycle....

That looks really good bro! I love primo @ 800mg/wk. Such lean keepable gains.

My next cycle is 12 weeks of primo/deca /sust/anavar/t-bol.

It's gooooing to be crazy!

-VM

[wnehme]

Tren and Anavar. (dbol is tempting too)

Baseline...i think hudge lifter should be FLAMED..

Jesus..DBOL and Tren for the rest of your life..liver donor handy?

[baseline_9]

Tren and Anavar. (dbol is tempting too)

Are you suggesting that you would run tren for the fest of your cycles regardless of the toxicity and sides.

I should have said, if your son was going to use steroids and you had to advise him on the safest drugs to run ove the long run which would you choose.

I dont hink many would say tren

Just my opinion tho

[wnehme]

Are you suggesting that you would run tren for the fest of your cycles regardless of the toxicity and sides.

I should have said, if your son was going to use steroids and you had to advise him on the safest drugs to run ove the long run which would you choose.

I dont hink many would say tren

Just my opinion tho

Or DBOL

my liver is hurting thinking of it

[baseline_9]

Baseline...i think hudge lifter should be FLAMED..

Jesus..DBOL and Tren for the rest of your life..liver donor handy?

Agreed, but lets try and keep any flaming down LOL

Only reason i said that about the EQ is because the consensus on this board is that EQ is a waste of oil, less than 600+mg per week

[D7M]

Growth and Mast.

If I had to pick an oral to run for extended periods, I'd probably go with Var.

[Hazard]

well..... the original question never states that once I start the compound - I have to stay on it for life. Only that i'd have an unlimited supply..... so........ given that - here are my choices.

Test/HGH/Tren - I'd use test and HGH year round. When i'm cruising i'd use 4-5iu's HGH and 200mg's/test. When blasting i'd use 12iu's HGH, 750mg's test, and 600-800mg's/Tren.

If HGH isn't an option..... i'd go with Test/Tren/Mast.

If I have to pick 3 things and stay on them for life without comming off...... ever..... i'd go with Test/Primo/HGH.

~Haz~

[baseline_9]

This thread is building up a good picture of what steroids are safer than ohers

However you dont see many people saying "dont run that 19nor, run mast instead"

Why dont i ever see people reccomending HGH even tho all of you guys would be confident in sticking with it year round.

I understand that cost is an issue but you do get what you pay for (usually LOL) so why arnt i seeing more vets/hofs reccomending better (asuming also safer) compounds?

[Hazard]

This thread is building up a good picture of what steroids are safer than ohers

However you dont see many people saying "dont run that 19nor, run mast instead"

Why dont i ever see people reccomending HGH even tho all of you guys would be confident in sticking with it year round.

I understand that cost is an issue but you do get what you pay for (usually LOL) so why arnt i seeing more vets/hofs reccomending better (asuming also safer) compounds?

well.... I was assuming I wouldn't have to pay for any of this ahahaha. Picking something for life is different than picking someone based on your immediate goals. The more expensive stuff doesn't get recommended much because most of the people here want to put on some size for the beach. Someone who cycles twice a year probably wont spend a ton of cash to cycle. HGH and primo are pretty damn expensive across the board.

Tren is never recommended to someone without experience anyways.....

~Haz~

[Knockout_Power]

However you dont see many people saying "dont run that 19nor, run mast instead"

the experienced guys would say run that 19nor AND mast for the triple stack test/19nor/DHT

Why dont i ever see people reccomending HGH even tho all of you guys would be confident in sticking with it year round.

its just preference, some worry about the enlarged organs from prolonged usage, but the dose to reach that state is uncertain. Its what your goals are. A lot of people dont need to use GH until they have hit a plateau with anabolics. Kind of like how you hit a genetic plateau, when you hit one with anabolics, some jump to adding GH and break through.

I understand that cost is an issue but you do get what you pay for (usually LOL) so why arnt i seeing more vets/hofs reccomending better (asuming also safer) compounds?

"Safer" is a relative statement, when used properly, not many compounds are overly dangerous.

I dont have a ton of experience with different compounds, but if test is already in the mix, I would definately say NPP and Tren . Havent used anything else... would like to take a shot @ mast one day

[baseline_9]

The point i was trying to make is this;

Im only a beginer or noob, whateva u wanna call me, i have only run test, my next cycle is test and dbol .

Further down the line i will want to add some other compounds. Most would reccomend deca , however i dont want to run deca because i dont want to experiance the hard shut down, i would much rather spend the money and choose to run HGH for 6 months as i believe it is safer in the long run. But people will say ur not ready for HGH.

Im just a strange person who likes to turn things on there head and look at it from a different position.

Hopefully someone sees what im trying to say

[baseline_9]

Oh and im not saying im going to run growth so dont try and bash me, this is all just theoretical, for the purpose of educating myself

[Knockout_Power]

The point i was trying to make is this;

Im only a beginer or noob, whateva u wanna call me, i have only run test, my next cycle is test and dbol .

Further down the line i will want to add some other compounds. Most would reccomend deca , however i dont want to run deca because i dont want to experiance the hard shut down, i would much rather spend the money and choose to run HGH for 6 months as i believe it is safer in the long run. But people will say ur not ready for HGH.

Im just a strange person who likes to turn things on there head and look at it from a different position.

Hopefully someone sees what im trying to say

most people are this way, we want to know what will work the best without hurting our bodies too much.

In all honesty, if you find you like what test does to your body, you dont actually need to add anything. I love test, ran my first 2 cycles with test only, then added a 19nor at a low dose and the test even lower. My last cycle was test @ only 600 with some other lower dosed compounds. Its a trial and error game to see what works best and which sides you are willing to live with for the gains.

Having this board is a great way to bounce ideas off educated members so you can avoid making mistakes or running a bad cycle. When you are ready to run more complex cycles (if ever), post those ideas up when you are ready and they can be critiqued.

I think you are doing the smart approach to your cycling, I know too many guys who learned to swim by jumping into the deep end of the pool with concrete shoes (too complex a cycle)... it didnt float too well.

[Lean1038]

Primo and T Bol hands down.

[Swifto]

Good thread baseline mate.

[Hazard]

In the end..... what you decide to use as a tool is dependant on what you are looking to achieve. If you want to add 20lbs of mass in 3 months time..... HGH isn't your choice. However..... if you have the time and money..... it might be a great choice.....

~Haz~