1st real cycle

[clipper252]

I plan on running Dinabol and sus 250 for my first cycle.
Iv gotten 500 10mg tabs of Dianabol and 12 1ml viles of sus 250.

Im looking for some cycle advice

What I was told was take the shot of sus once a week for 12 weeks and run the dianabol 20/30/40/40/30/20 for 6 weeks.

Running liv 52, Clomid for PCT.

Any advice or tips for me?

[D7M]

Stats?

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Stats?

^ x 2, + I don't like your plan.

*Edit* - Judging from your other posts you are either about to turn 21 or just turned 21. Either way you are still waaaay too young to consider AAS and shuting your natural production down now at its peak is just a bad bad bad idea. Patience, there will be a time when you can experiment without the high risks that you will have now.

[CoolStroybro]

Why only clomid in PCT ? Why not Nolva ?

[fleck]

6 weeks on oral?

[Nooomoto]

12 1ml vials? At what concentration? That sounds retarded.

[fleck]

[clipper252]

yeah i checked there i have nolva also for my pct.

would 6 weeks not be enough for the oral cycle?

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Clipper why don't you just wait until you are a couple years older? What is the rush?

[clipper252]

iv been training with about 4 years and think iv reached the point where iv achieved what I can naturally. Im 5'9 at best and weigh 82kg. My lifts have havent increased in the last 12 monthssome have even decreased.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Bro you are 21.. No one is going to buy that, you are just trying to rationalize an unrational decision.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Whatever you decide I wish you GL

[marcus300]

You can put alot more on naturally if you had a bodybuilding diet, even if you did steroids it would be no good because your diet wont hold the new weight. Take advantage of your youth and natural high test and build a solid base from hard training along side a bulking diet, dont shut done your system at your age it can cause you problems you wished you never had, best of luck

[Stay Solid]

yeah i checked there i have nolva also for my pct.

would 6 weeks not be enough for the oral cycle?

Lol not enough ? its your first cycle and 6 weeks is a lil much. Fuzzy is right patience is the smart route but i wish u GL

[clipper252]

i was going to start this next week, but im going to take more time to think about it and do some more research

[clipper252]

Age: 21
Height: 5,9
Weight: 82kg
BF%: 12
Cycle Exp: Winny only Cycle
PCT Knowledge: Limited
Training Exp: 4 years
Diet: Under Control

[marcus300]

i was going to start this next week, but im going to take more time to think about it and do some more research

Thats very wise and in the mean time have a read of this article below:

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[TKO Performance]

You need to learn to do more naturally. Marcus is 100% right. If you are no longer gaining your problem is your diet and/or training regimen. You have not reached natural potential, you have simply reached the limits of those two. Steroids will not correct what those two have failed to address. You may make some marginal gains from a cycle, but they will vanish afterward, and you'll most likely be left with side effects that last you a lifetime.

Post up diet in the diet forum and get that right. Post up training either here, or even PM me if you want. We can take you where you want to go fast without the tremendous risks you take by using steroids before your body is physically ready for them. I say this so often, because it couldn't be more true: If I knew at your age what I know now I'd look like a different person today. It took me years to learn all this stuff, close to a decade in fact, and I'm still learning. At 21 you've entered the foothills of Everest and you think its time to take the stuff that the guys who've reached the summit are using. Get to the summit first. There'll be time to consider steroids after you're 25.

[clipper252]

If i was to use it as a first cycle. What would be the best way to do it?

[TKO Performance]

Don't, you are not ready. There is no point. You will not keep any gains made and you risk permanent damage to your body. Want to be on TRT for life starting at 22 don't heed our advice. You'll come back a couple months from now complaining of ED or other symptoms that are signals of low test.

Hey, you're going to do what you're going to do, but what I won't do is play ball. There is no safe way to take steroids at your age. That's my advice, and the only advice you're going to get from me, and probably everyone else.

[clipper252]

Would the same be for a dbol only cycle, A guy at my gym not sure what age but I am almost certain he is younger than me, was telling me his last cycle was dbol only