Review my lean bulking cycle!

[tylerfromPA]

just finished up a sust270 cycle, for about 10 weeks. just starting PCT today, and would like to run a cutting cycle in about two to three months.
STATS:
HT: 5'11''
WT: 195
AGE: 24
BF:roughly 10%, i'm bulky but by no means as defined as i'd like to be.
TRAINING EXP:7 or more years, started in highschool for football and never stopped.

Looking to run a winny/sust/tren cycle, also could use a good pct, going to start ordering EVERYTHING at once to have all my ducks in a row before i start.

Goals:
-Burn some fat (through diet change and cardio + AAS)
-increase definition (through the 1st goal)
-and increase vascularity

Long story short, critic this cycle, but only post if you can recommend a change, don't just say it sucks please

CYCLE:
winny oral 60mg a day for last 6 weeks
Sust270 400mg pinning once a week for 8 weeks
Methyltrienolone (oral tren) at 500mcg a day for last 4 weeks of cycle

PCT:
5 weeks
Tamox 20mg/ED
Clomid 25mg/ED (60mg ED first week)

[PistolStarta]

I would stick to just the Sust250 (I think you mean) and Winny. That oral tren is rediculously liver toxic and unnecessary. Up your test dosage a bit also.

[tylerfromPA]

if anyone could offer some informed assistance, i'm looking for the answers to these two questions:
a) is sust270 the ideal compound for this cycle? i ran before and had good results but i'm not too educated on the other forms of test, remember i'm looking to drop a little fat and increase definition, maybe gain 5 - 10 pounds of muscle
b) am i running the winny and oral tren at proper times?

[PistolStarta]

due to the cyp in the sust would make you hold water more so than running a prop cycle.

[tylerfromPA]

prop is the longest esthered test right?

[PistolStarta]

no second shortest I believe. Longer esters usually cause more retention.

[D7M]

prop is the longest esthered test right?

if you don't know the answer to this, you're probably not ready to cycle, and definitely not ready for M. Tren .

What's your cycle history?

[tylerfromPA]

ahh alright. i'll look into that then. much appreciated.

[tylerfromPA]

first and only cycle is a sust270 cycle, the one i mentioned at the top of post. and yes i agree with the m. tren comment, thinking about eliminating that

[PistolStarta]

where the hell did u get a sust dosed at 270 lol. Dont actually answer that Ive just never seen that.

[tylerfromPA]

it's by geneza, it has an additional 20 mg of Testosterone Acetate

[PistolStarta]

AHHH a blend, gotcha. I was so lost and thought you were just typing it wrong everytime lol. Just study up on your esters.

[stpete]

if you don't know the answer to this, you're probably not ready to cycle, and definitely not ready for M. Tren .

What's your cycle history?

Agreed!!! Not to mention that 2 orals are a bad idea. Why not rely on your diet and training to do most of the work? Also, you're not planning on using your test the way it should be used.

[tylerfromPA]

how am i using the test wrong? i just want it there in a low dose for the winny to use to build the lean muscle

[stpete]

Shoot it twice a week. And quit relying on the winny to do your work. Diet and training dictate. I could sit here and shoot all kinds of shit in hopes that i get bigger or leaner. Fact is, juice helps, but they're not "magic" pills. Keep your diet in check.

[tylerfromPA]

yeah true.. that's how i ran it when i did my sust only cycle but now i think i'm going with test prop EOD,

[Sector]

Tyler, you already had many responses to a nearly identical thread you created here http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-cutting-cycle!.

However now its a bulking cycle but your still asking the same questions and trying to run tren even though you have been advised not to. Cant keep asking questions and wait for the 1 guy out of 20 to tell you its ok. Sust is all you need to cut on with a proper diet and training. You can add winny the last 4-6 weeks just be aware of the possible negative sides of it. Sore joints being my main concern.

[gonzo6183]

Listen up man, You definitly need to skip the Methyltrienolone as clearly you dont know what you are in for with this compound, you can not run it in conjuction with another oral (being your winny) and clearly you dont have the understanding required to run a stack like this. Stick to the test (you might prefer prop for cutting) and maybe the winny but you need to realise it is all diet and cardio that will do it for you, not the compounds being used.

[Sicko]

imo if you are that wishy washy on what you want to take you havent done enough research on the products that you "want" to do