Winni and cutting questions.

[DocPharm]

I am about to start my first cutting cycle. I have cut my diet from 3500 calories/day down to 2200-2500/day and have upped my cardio to 30-40 min/ day on stepmill or eliptical or treadmill. My diet consists of a lot of baked chicken and grilled shrimp. Brown rice and oatmeal. Steamed peas, broccoli, and asparagus. I drink 2 glasses of unsweetend tea a day, the rest is water besides drinking a preworkout shake (1 M.R.) My question regards using winni to cut. I have never shot it or anything before. I have taken d'bol once for 4mos at 30mg/day just to help gain some strength.What dosages should I be shooting? How often should I shoot? What sites should I shoot at? I have 10ml bottle of winni and was planning on doing 6wks of dieting then starting the winni to completion of the bottle. I have 22g x 3/4" points. Do I shoot under skin or in muscle for cutting? Any help would be appreciated.

My stats are
5'8
212lbs
14%BF as of last weeks test
My goal is to cut down to 8-9%BF in 12-16wks

I workout 5 days a wk
M- chest
Tues- back and biceps
Wed - rest
Thurs- Shoulders and tris
Friday- Legs
Sat- crossfit/circuit training
I do cardio 4x a week (M,T, Th, F). 40min/day

[scotty51312]

Ok. A winny only cycle is a terrible idea. And no steroid will melt fat off of you. Its all about diet and training. If you eat to bulk you can bulk on winny or test or deca or anavar or whatever. If you eat to cut you can do the same thing on any of those steroids . What winstrol does is make your muscles harder, and more dense. These effects are best seen when you start the winny cycle at 10% bodyfat or less. Your diet that you've posted really doesn't tell me much of anything. Start by setting up your diet in this manner

BMR (base metabolic rate)
TDEE (total daily energy expediture) if you dont' know these terms google them its not difficult to calculate

meal one
Description
Macro's (cals/carbs/protien/fat)

through meal 6-8 all the same
then total the macro's for the day
If you wanna cut i'd recommend a 300-500 calorie deficit per day with a ratio of 40%protien 45%carbs 15% fat. Post it up in the diet section and we'll get you where you wanna be naturaly

[big_ron]

What dose per mil is your winny?
your age?

[DocPharm]

I am 24 years old. Winni is 50mg/mL Geneza product.

As far as my diet goes I do not have the time to eat 8 times a day. I eat 5x a day and that is often difficult to do for me. I teach and coach so I am a busy guy. I am not 100% sure of my BMR, ect. I will give you exactly what I know. I have trained since 15yrs of age. Always for powerlifting. I blew my knee apart at 21yrs old playing baseball, so I cannot squat heavy enough for competitions anymore. I now for the past 3 years have trained just for bulking, always clean. I use Whey protein and a preworkout supplement (right now its 1M.R.)

Here is my typical diet however. Hopefully somebody can lend me some advice.
I know my bodyfat test is accurate, just did an accurate test last week to check. I have never really watched my diet that much, other then smashing protein for bulking.

Meal 1- 7am

1/2c Oatmeal w/ a tsp of natural honey
50mg protein shake

Meal 2- 10am snack
Nature's valley oatmeal bar
1/2 turkey and cheese sandwish on whole wheat

Meal 3- noon
6-8oz baked chicken breast
1/2 can of peas, drained and cooked with pinch of salt and pepper

Meal 4- 3pm

6-8 med. shrimp grilled w. garlic
1 small baked potato with pinch of salt and pepper
5-7 asparagus spears sauted in 1/2 tsp extra virgin olive oil

Meal 5 - 7pm after gym

50mg whey protein shake
other half of my turkey and cheese on whole wheat bread.

That is my typical daily meal plan. The vegetables change day to day: most often I eat broccoli, asparagus, and peas however. I do not fry and try to keep my salt minimal. I drink water, atleast 8-12oz glasses a day.

[DocPharm]

Just calculated my BMR and TDEE

BMR = 2087.16
TDEE = 3236.4

[scotty51312]

I am 24 years old. Winni is 50mg/mL Geneza product.

As far as my diet goes I do not have the time to eat 8 times a day. I eat 5x a day and that is often difficult to do for me. I teach and coach so I am a busy guy. I am not 100% sure of my BMR, ect. I will give you exactly what I know. I have trained since 15yrs of age. Always for powerlifting. I blew my knee apart at 21yrs old playing baseball, so I cannot squat heavy enough for competitions anymore. I now for the past 3 years have trained just for bulking, always clean. I use Whey protein and a preworkout supplement (right now its 1M.R.)
A lot of us are busy people and make time to eat. Most of us do our cooking for the week on the weekend in bulk and put it in tupperwear

Here is my typical diet however. Hopefully somebody can lend me some advice.
I know my bodyfat test is accurate, just did an accurate test last week to check. I have never really watched my diet that much, other then smashing protein for bulking.

Meal 1- 7am

1/2c Oatmeal w/ a tsp of natural honey
50mg protein shake
if you can try drinking a 25 g whey protien shake as soon as you wake up to stop catabolism then after have your 1/2 cup of oatmeal, preferably without the honey. If you must throw some berries in there or sugar free maple syrup add 6-8 egg whites here. You can actually buy them in cartons already seperated they take about 2 minutes too cook the same as quick oats
Meal 2- 10am snack
Nature's valley oatmeal bar
sugar is an issue with most of these kinds of bars
1/2 turkey and cheese sandwish on whole wheat
processed deli turkey is an inferior source of protien. Actual turkey breast would be ok though. This meal also looks high on carbs and low on protien

Meal 3- noon
6-8oz baked chicken breast
1/2 can of peas, drained and cooked with pinch of salt and pepper
peas are sugary just like carrots full of simple carbs. change this up for leafy greens or possibly some other fiberous veg this meal also needs complex carbs
Meal 4- 3pm

6-8 med. shrimp grilled w. garlic
1 small baked potato with pinch of salt and pepper
Change this to a sweet potato, its much lower on the GI scale and a great source of fiber and vitamin A
5-7 asparagus spears sauted in 1/2 tsp extra virgin olive oil

Meal 5 - 7pm after gym

50mg whey protein shake
other half of my turkey and cheese on whole wheat bread.
Toss the turkey sand. Cheese is also extra saturated fat you dont need. PWO shakes need carbs to replenish glycogen stores. i like to split mine 25g of simple carbs and 25 g complex
That is my typical daily meal plan. The vegetables change day to day: most often I eat broccoli, asparagus, and peas however. I do not fry and try to keep my salt minimal. I drink water, atleast 8-12oz glasses a day.

You have now slow digesting protien before bed to prevent overnight catobolism

Knowing your BMR (base metabolic rate) and TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) and getting the macro's down for your meals and all day is the first step. U need to know your TDEE so you know how many calories you burn per day so you can set your daily intake 300-500 calories below that. Even eating a protien bar is better than missing meals in a diet plan. Winny isn't going to help you without having your diet dialed in perfect. Also its going to shut down your natural test production. You also risk sexual disfunction.

[DocPharm]

Thank you for the tips on the dieting. I will make the changes that you have suggested. As far a slow digesting carb before bed, what do you suggest? Casein shake? I do not eat processed meat, I go 2 the deli and get sliced meat only. Standards smoked turkey breast is my favorite. As far as protein or snack bars, what is a good product that is low in sugar? I am on the go a lot and have to grab quck snacks between classes typically.

[scotty51312]

Slow digesting protien not carbs Cassien is good. When i don't feel like mixing up cassien i eat 2 tbsp of natty peanutbutter and 1/2 cup of lowfat cottage cheese. There are lots of bars out there with decent stats. Bars should be a last resort real food and animal protiens are better. I like clif builder bars. 20g protien 20g carbs and organic.

[DocPharm]

Thank you very much for the diet help. I will get my diet cleaned up and arranged as I need to. For now, I will put the winny back into the safe for later use.

[scotty51312]

Not a problem bro, while we work on that diet you can research more on cycles and how to use winny effectively in a safe beginner cycle later down the road

[sully169]

my question is why is natural peanut butter so much better than regular chunky peanut butter ... the macro nutrients are basically the same ... i understand the different type of sugars ... but the taste is such a drastic improvement

[scotty51312]

Natty peanutbutter doesn't have added sugars Macro's are different in the aspect of carbs