Cancer Roids

**Valhiun** · 12-04-2010, 05:25 PM

For those of you who didn't read, or do not remember my first thread, here is a quick link.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...hlight=Valhiun

So I finally got that appointment with my oncologist, and I talked to him about using steroids . He, as a doctor should, took the time to lecture about the common dangers of steroids. I asked him the highly anticipated (and dreaded) question about whether or not the use of steroids would be like a death sentence, given my history of testicular cancer. In a round-a-bout way, I got my answer "no". But at the same time, it is still a risk because not all is known about cancer in general. But one thing was for certain, was that there is a link between prostate cancer and testosterone . Prostate cancer cells are very responsive to testosterone. My doctor mentioned a study done in the UK, researchers did autopsies on males who died in car crashes. They found that 1 in 4 of their subjects died with dormant cancer cells in/on their prostate. Scary.

The one reassuring piece of knowledge that I learned was that testosterone does not effect testicular cancer. Thinking about it, it makes sense being as that testicular cancer was something I was born with, and all through puberty and teenage years (when my testes were producing the most testosterone) my cancer cells never budged.

So I decided to move forward and start a cycle.

Regardless, I am still being as cautious as I can by reading up and being aware of all the tell tale signs of various types of cancer (prostate, colon, brain,testicular), and actively checking myself for them. I've spent many long hours (actually days) reading article after article while weaving through many anti-steroid campaigns. I've decided to go with a light, 200mg/per week, 10-week cycle of deca . I train 3 days minimum per week. I am on week two.

I'm sure that some of you may disapprove and think I'm being reckless, but I'm well aware of the risks I am taking and chose to move forward regardless. I hope that you will benefit from the little information I have provided, and the more I may provide in the future.

STATS
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 165
BF: 21%
Age: 25
Dosage: 200mg deca per week for 10-Weeks
Week #: 2

P.S. Please read thoroughly before responding. A lot of the responses I got in my last thread I felt weren't fully informed. Some responders seemed to think that I still have cancer and am undergoing treatment. I no longer have cancer and have been done with treatment for almost 3 years now.

Good google search phrases:
"signs and symptoms of ______ cancer"
"are cancer cells in everyone?"
"age and testosterone"

**cro** · 12-04-2010, 05:54 PM

5' 6 165 21% bf ? you should cut some bf and build muscle first get your body in check .your way off base. see once you trim down to 15%or so youll only weigh 150 or so .way to light to use . you have to get some size 1st

**cro** · 12-04-2010, 05:57 PM

wow im sorry i just read your already into week 2 .well good luck youve made your choice.are you at least on a strong diet plan

**Bonaparte** · 12-05-2010, 05:38 AM

That cycle is completely worthless.
You just completely shutdown you HPTA for no reason at all, since you aren't going to gain anything off 200mg/week of Deca by itself. If anything, you'll end up smaller and fatter than when you started once PCT is over.
If your main concern is avoiding DHT for cancer risk, you should add 100-200mg/week of Test E or C just to feel ok and maintain sexual function, then double the Deca dose so that you'll actually see some gains. And you'd want to run Aromasin and Caber with it to control estrogen, progesterone, and prolactin.
BTW, I am in no way condoning this failure of a cycle, but the damage is already done now that you've pinned Deca, so you might as well take my suggestions to try to get something out of it.

**cro** · 12-05-2010, 06:46 AM

sounds like you better take the advice bonaparte put out there bro. do your research first.

**tjax03** · 12-05-2010, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Valhiun

For those of you who didn't read, or do not remember my first thread, here is a quick link.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...hlight=Valhiun

So I finally got that appointment with my oncologist, and I talked to him about using steroids . He, as a doctor should, took the time to lecture about the common dangers of steroids. I asked him the highly anticipated (and dreaded) question about whether or not the use of steroids would be like a death sentence, given my history of testicular cancer. In a round-a-bout way, I got my answer "no". But at the same time, it is still a risk because not all is known about cancer in general. But one thing was for certain, was that there is a link between prostate cancer and testosterone . Prostate cancer cells are very responsive to testosterone. My doctor mentioned a study done in the UK, researchers did autopsies on males who died in car crashes. They found that 1 in 4 of their subjects died with dormant cancer cells in/on their prostate. Scary.

The one reassuring piece of knowledge that I learned was that testosterone does not effect testicular cancer. Thinking about it, it makes sense being as that testicular cancer was something I was born with, and all through puberty and teenage years (when my testes were producing the most testosterone) my cancer cells never budged.

So I decided to move forward and start a cycle.

Regardless, I am still being as cautious as I can by reading up and being aware of all the tell tale signs of various types of cancer (prostate, colon, brain,testicular), and actively checking myself for them. I've spent many long hours (actually days) reading article after article while weaving through many anti-steroid campaigns. I've decided to go with a light, 200mg/per week, 10-week cycle of deca . I train 3 days minimum per week. I am on week two.

I'm sure that some of you may disapprove and think I'm being reckless, but I'm well aware of the risks I am taking and chose to move forward regardless. I hope that you will benefit from the little information I have provided, and the more I may provide in the future.

STATS
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 165
BF: 21%
Age: 25
Dosage: 200mg deca per week for 10-Weeks
Week #: 2

P.S. Please read thoroughly before responding. A lot of the responses I got in my last thread I felt weren't fully informed. Some responders seemed to think that I still have cancer and am undergoing treatment. I no longer have cancer and have been done with treatment for almost 3 years now.

Good google search phrases:
"signs and symptoms of ______ cancer"
"are cancer cells in everyone?"
"age and testosterone"

There are a few things that concern me about your post. First, and this is completely understandable given that you have had cancer, but it seems as though you may have become overly paranoid about developing a new cancer. You mention that you are actively checking yourself for many types of cancer. Just because you had one type doesn't mean you are going to develop others, especially with testicular cancer. I'm not saying to avoid examinations altogether, but don't dwell on this possibility. I seriously suggest that you meet with a therapist to discuss your issues with this. There is no sense in going through the rest of your life in fear of developing a tumor.
Second, your choice of hormone is bad. Because of your fear of cancer you seem to want to avoid test. Well, it has to be said, overall test is the safest steroid you can take. I wouldn't be surprised if it has a better safety profile than most others even in terms of the risk of tumor development. Not only can your administration of deca shut you down very hard, but you are taking such a low dose that you will most likely not see much in terms of benefits, certainly not worth the risk to your HPTA.
Personally I think that a major factor with regard to maintaining health while cycling is the ability of the body to maintain homeostasis. That is after the cycle is over, the body needs to get back to its normal set point in terms of hormone production etc. The more that this is thrown off, the more we set ourselves up for problems down the road. Deca has been known to mess with individuals' hormones for months, while a testosterone cycle of moderate dosage and duration is generally easily recovered from. With that said, I would suggest that you stop your cycle ASAP and perform a full PCT. During this time, research testosterone thoroughly on pubmed and decide if its worth the risk to you. I hope this was somewhat helpful.

**Valhiun** · 12-05-2010, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by cro

5' 6 165 21% bf ? you should cut some bf and build muscle first get your body in check .your way off base. see once you trim down to 15%or so youll only weigh 150 or so .way to light to use . you have to get some size 1st

Maybe I miss calculated? I wouldn't say that I'm an athlete, but I'm definitely not out of shape. I can do roughly a 8.5 minute mile, non-stop. I don't know a whole lot of out-of shape people that can do that. I'm prior Army, and maintained myself a little. I'm not looking to gain a whole lot of mass (part of the reason I chose a small dose of deca ). Most the guys I see on here are seem to be going for massive body builder status. Not quite what I'm looking for. I've seen cycles that are like "take 300mg of ____, and stack with 300mg of _____" and I'm just like, "whoa, calm down." It's my first cycle ever, not sure how my body will react, so I thought caution was best. My friend did deca alone, larger dosage tho, he's a bigger guy. He doesn't seem to have the drastic results Bonaparte speaks of. I originally wanted to do Test E alone, 300mg per week, but reconsidered after being badgered by my source and friend.

I went with this cycle as a recommendation from my source. I definitely sincerely respect all of your guy's advice.

fyi, I only have one source, and he's not exactly solid. So switching up my dosage isn't exactly an option. Advice? Help?

Maybe I should bump it to 300mg per week?

btw, I know I made it sound like I am, but I'm not cancer paranoid.

**sixoner** · 12-05-2010, 07:24 PM

I went with this cycle as a recommendation from my source.

sounds like he had some deca he was trying to get off of

**Bonaparte** · 12-05-2010, 10:05 PM

I think you should just drop the Deca and switch to your original proposed cycle (300mg of test).
200mg of Deca isn't going to do shit besides make you miserable (when you can't get it up) and shutdown your HPTA from the first shot.

**nwjt** · 12-05-2010, 10:14 PM

You can do deca only IF you can handle the sides AND you take enough dose.

300 mg of test isnt much either. How about taking both?

I would assume you could be on trt pretty easy, why not try that first???

ps deca is going to harder on your liver than test. Test is pretty safe all around.

**Bonaparte** · 12-05-2010, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by nwjt

You can do deca only IF you can handle the sides AND you take enough dose.

300 mg of test isnt much either. How about taking both?

I would assume you could be on trt pretty easy, why not try that first???

ps deca is going to harder on your liver than test. Test is pretty safe all around.

Neither has any measurable effect on liver function.

**Chev** · 12-06-2010, 08:47 AM

Youve been on here since october and still decided to do a low dose deca only cycle..... good luck to you sir!

**ScotchGuard02** · 12-06-2010, 11:07 AM

I did a low dose deca cycle mainly for my joints. I ran 150mg/deca/wk + 150mg/test/wk + 100mg/EQ/wk. My main reason for the test was to maintain my endogenous level of test while taking deca. The cycle gave me moderate results but I felt pretty good.

**Spacely** · 12-06-2010, 12:44 PM

I'm still a newbie around here but 21% bf seems a little insane for gear. You went to your doc and talked to him about AAS but you didnt get a complete check up? They can test your BF% in seconds so you wouldnt have to estimate

I highly recommend going to the local pharmacy and getting some callipers or make another doc appt to make sure.

So there was the comment and here is the advice.

Aside from running, try some Hi-intensity cardio. I highly recommend Plyometrics from the p90x. You can download it anywhere and it sheds the lbs quick time. If you need any advice on anything about p90x just ask its one thing I know inside and out