Upcoming cycle (16 weeks)

**dinko** · 12-23-2010, 02:48 AM

I am 30yrs, 183 lbs (83kg), 5'11, 10.2% bf

Attached you will find my new 16-weeks cycle. I will start this by 2011.

Looking forward to hear your opinion/suggestions etc.

NOTE: Dianabol are pills of 5mg

Thanks!

**Bonaparte** · 12-23-2010, 02:57 AM

You have got to be kidding me...
All this for a physique you should be able to achieve naturally?
WTF...
You'd do way better to put all that money towards hiring a good trainer.

**mg0922** · 12-23-2010, 03:00 AM

holy goodness!!! seriously?!?!

when you say dianobol 5, 6,7,8 ?? what exactly do you mean by that??

just curious

**mg0922** · 12-23-2010, 03:03 AM

also your going from over a gram of tes to 200mg in no time?? wow

**dinko** · 12-23-2010, 03:07 AM

I have a trainer as well.
This cycle made by my trainer. I am going to ask him about dianabol ...

**dinko** · 12-23-2010, 03:12 AM

mg0922: its different testo, the one is cyp and the other is prop.

**mg0922** · 12-23-2010, 03:14 AM

yes i understand that. I think you need to stop listening to your trainer and stick around here for a while man. seriously.

**dinko** · 12-23-2010, 03:23 AM

that is why I posted my cycle here waiting for your feedback.
specifically, what is wrong and why...

**mg0922** · 12-23-2010, 03:27 AM

im not sure if i missed your stats. what are they. lets start there

**tembe** · 12-23-2010, 03:28 AM

well what are ur stats firstly?

past cycle experience?

**dinko** · 12-23-2010, 03:32 AM

I am 30yrs, 183 lbs (83kg), 5'11, 10.2% bf.
This is my 4rth cycle.

**Bulkn** · 12-23-2010, 05:06 AM

Lol that's a joke, def get a new trainer! What's wrong with just using test and Dbol with armidex?

**dinko** · 12-23-2010, 05:08 AM

Dianabols are pills of 5mg

**Matt** · 12-23-2010, 05:29 AM

What were your previous cycles??

What was your starting weight before you ran your first cycle???

**dinko** · 12-23-2010, 06:12 AM

i was about 150lbs with 13+% bf
all my previous cycles where shorter and ligher (5 to 8 weeks).
this is my first big cycle. this cycle already tested to one friend and the results are awesome.
soon, i will post some before/after pics of my friend so you can see the cycle results.

**Matt** · 12-23-2010, 06:25 AM

Imo your diet may need looking at..

However you've put on 33lbs by using light cycles, why change that? A good old test c/e 12 week cycle 500mgs ew with dbol for the first 4/6 weeks..

If you run the cycle you suggest where else is there to go for your next?

But first fix your diet, otherwise you will lose everything you've gained...

**Bonaparte** · 12-23-2010, 06:27 AM

Oh, you trainer suggested this...
Is he the one hooking you up with the gear?
Either way, he probably just went online and copied down some advanced BBer's cycle.
Running that many compounds if you aren't preparing for a show and dieting down to 5% BF is absurd.
You don't need all that for a beach body, or whatever you're going for.

**dinko** · 12-23-2010, 06:51 AM

i always do ergometric exams and we build my diet based on those exams.
I forgot to mention that in my first cycle I used insuline. very carefully though. and I took lot of gain.

yes, I know that this cycle is a copy of an advanced bb cycle but I also know that someone else (one friend) already did it with very good results.

after 3 short cycles I wanted something big, in terms of time. to start at end of jan so I can finish before summer, do my pct and enjoy my vacation.
then i will be out for entire summer, sep, oct, nov, dec...
next cycle possible jan 2012.

**Matt** · 12-23-2010, 06:55 AM

Well you did state in your opening post that you looked forward to peoples opinions and suggestions, you've ignored them all so i wish you all the best of luck....

**Bonaparte** · 12-23-2010, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by dinko

i always do ergometric exams and we build my diet based on those exams.
I forgot to mention that in my first cycle I used insuline. very carefully though. and I took lot of gain.

yes, I know that this cycle is a copy of an advanced bb cycle but I also know that someone else (one friend) already did it with very good results.

after 3 short cycles I wanted something big, in terms of time. to start at end of jan so I can finish before summer, do my pct and enjoy my vacation.
then i will be out for entire summer, sep, oct, nov, dec...
next cycle possible jan 2012.

Long cycles (over 12 weeks) are a lot harder to recover from, and they require more time off afterward (and often-times you'll stop gaining after 10 weeks anyway). So unless you respond very slowly to gear, you're just wasting gear and losing more of your gains post-cycle. I've done a 20 week cycle that was no better than 10 weeks and was just a pain in the ass to recover from.
Oh, and advanced BBers do those long cycles because:
a) they don't care that much about what they look like post-cycle, since they are only concerned about their big show.
or
B) because they never come off and just cruise between these 16 week blasts.

**dinko** · 12-23-2010, 07:01 AM

who said that I am ignoring them?
this is the upcoming cycle. I am open to change it but I need to know why.
telling me "this is a piece of sh*t" doesnt help me. why? what's wrong?

my trainer is very anxius for recovery. that is why we use tamox+pregnyl inside cycle as well, not only in pct.

so, you suggest me to run a shorter like 12 weeks cycle?

**Necrosaro** · 12-23-2010, 09:24 AM

Can I suggest you learning a bit of how to cycle even before you ever cycle and not let someone tell you how to do it. Just my thoughts

***FireGuy*** · 12-23-2010, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Oh, you trainer suggested this...
Is he the one hooking you up with the gear?
Either way, he probably just went online and copied down some advanced BBer's cycle.
Running that many compounds if you aren't preparing for a show and dieting down to 5% BF is absurd.
You don't need all that for a beach body, or whatever you're going for.

Well stated, I know many guys who compete and dont use anywhere near that amount of gear for show prep.

**Considering** · 12-23-2010, 10:30 AM

Why such huge doses of T and such small short doses of EQ and Primo?
Age, height and weight seem to indicate that the major compound you need to run is Food.
I don't think Tamox on cycle will help you recover any better.

**Far from massive** · 12-23-2010, 11:22 AM

I am as new here so this is more a question than a statement,

One other thing I noticed that no one has mentioned is running 200mg wk (I assume we is week) of prop all the way to 6 weeks out from the last cyp with 75ed of tren ? seems like since at that point you would only have the 200mg of prop for test, since the cyp would have cleared the Tren would be smashing that little bit of prop and suppressing the hell out of your system and furthering an already rough recovery? Yes/No?

If you were running this cycle to compete then I could understand that you only concern would be hitting the stage dry and hard but unless this is the goal it just seems to me that you might be better off with a less suppressive ending?

**Slayer of Souls** · 12-23-2010, 12:00 PM

So freakin complicated

**vettewreck** · 12-23-2010, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by dinko

specifically, what is wrong and why...

Everything. The list is too long for me to even explain. Put it this way, you are 183lbs. Youre not a pro. That is a "pro type" cycle.

Originally Posted by Matt

Imo your diet may need looking at..

However you've put on 33lbs by using light cycles, why change that? A good old test c/e 12 week cycle 500mgs ew with dbol for the first 4/6 weeks..

If you run the cycle you suggest where else is there to go for your next?

But first fix your diet, otherwise you will lose everything you've gained...

Completely agree.

**D3m3nt3d** · 12-23-2010, 01:22 PM

I would seriously reconsider that cycle bro, all of it.

**songdog** · 12-23-2010, 10:36 PM

Bro you say you did 4 cycles so far? I hope that aint a pic of you on your avi.Not tryin to be a prick.But you might be runnin bad gear.That cycle is outrageous.