Short burst cycling

**jfletcher** · 01-16-2011, 10:21 PM

Test Prop would be the obvious choice for this method of cycling, i'm just curious to know if anyone's done it using sus or enanth, if its worth trying? How it should be done etc...

**psa** · 01-16-2011, 10:51 PM

Its not worth trying because it wouldn't work. You'd be off the burst cycle before it would even kick in...

**jfletcher** · 01-16-2011, 10:54 PM

Even with sus??

**psa** · 01-16-2011, 11:05 PM

Sus is a mixture of fast and slow acting esters. Only 90mg of the 250mg/ml is fast acting (the prop and pp ester). So unless your shooting that ED or EOD for however long your "short burst" is, which you should be doing because that would add up to a shit ton of test overall, you wont reap the full benefits.

**Far from massive** · 01-16-2011, 11:13 PM

You would probably be better off just using enan than sust since with the enan you only have one compound and you can try to front load the hell out of it to get the blood levels where you want as quickly as possible with sust that would not be an option.

That said Prop is the way to fly since it will build quickly and clear quickly after the cycle, I mean its kinda screwed up to do a 4 wk cycle then have to wait 2 weeks for clearence before PCT.

**psa** · 01-16-2011, 11:24 PM

OP, can you define "short burst". Because like massive said frontloading the enth is an option, but wouldn't be recommended if your doing 2on/2off/2on/2off etc since you'd be using a shit ton of oil and your PCT would be all screwed up like he mentioned.

**jfletcher** · 01-17-2011, 03:32 AM

Short burst - Meaning i run a really high level of test for 30 days then have 30 days off then do it again, obviously run pct in between....

**jfletcher** · 01-17-2011, 03:33 AM

Prop seems to be the go.....

**marcus300** · 01-17-2011, 03:37 AM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ned&highlight=

Yes you can use long ester in a short burst cycle but you need to be experienced and from your understanding of short burst cycle I wouldnt recommend it, stick with short esters if your going to be running anything short.

If you read the above link it will explain in more detail about SHIC's

**psa** · 01-17-2011, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by jfletcher

Short burst - Meaning i run a really high level of test for 30 days then have 30 days off then do it again, obviously run pct in between....

Oh I see... When I hear short burst cycles I think of 2wks on, 2 wks off..

**Duckhombre** · 01-17-2011, 04:31 AM

Listen, you cannot do two weeks on and two weeks off for long periods and be healthy. The HPTA is not a light switch that turns on and off, more like steering heavy barge. I don't care what you do, at 750mg week there is no way you clear the enanthate and complete a successful pct in 4 weeks. Period. Unless you are some kind of freak, I'm sure there is one out there who got it, but for 90% of, impossible.

**Kdub** · 01-17-2011, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by psa

Its not worth trying because it wouldn't work. You'd be off the burst cycle before it would even kick in...

That is not correct. I am short bursting right now with EXCELLENT results using Enanthate .

Will post results when the burst is complete.

**jfletcher** · 01-17-2011, 05:34 AM

Thanks for the info Marcus, much appreciated!! Just wondering what you mean by experienced? I've been cycling on and off for a few years now and am curious about other methods of doing it!!! Short cycles seemed interesting.....

**jfletcher** · 01-17-2011, 05:37 AM

Kdub, I'd like to hear more

**psa** · 01-17-2011, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Kdub

That is not correct. I am short bursting right now with EXCELLENT results using Enanthate .

Will post results when the burst is complete.

Care to share the details? And I said that assuming the bursts were 2 weeks long, you still think that works with enth?

**Kdub** · 01-17-2011, 07:13 PM

Very briefly:

Day 16 and I was up 22 lbs using Enanthate and Winstrol (tabs).

It is a 30-36 day Burst.

Day 1: "frontloaded" 1000 mgs.
Day 3: 500 mgs
Day 6: 500 mgs
Day 10: 500 mgs
Day 14: 250 mgs
Day 17: 500 mgs
Day 21: 250 mgs (I am at this point today)

Day 26: 50 mgs Prop
Day 28: 50 mgs Prop
Day 30: 50 mgs Prop
Day 32: 50 mgs Prop
Day 36: PCT (depending on how I feel)

Days 1-36: Winstrol 50 mgs

By day 4 I was beginning to get fuller.

I am running HCG , Adex and clen , and added a bit of Prami due to my history.

I also Primed as Marcus has emphatically stated is the key and I agree. I didn't begin to add carbs until after the first week.

I will be more than happy to post a full report of my experiences and results at day 36.

I am currently sitting at 238 lbs, 6'0" and 15%-17% BF.

**Saito** · 01-19-2011, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Kdub

I am running HCG, Adex and clen, and added a bit of Prami due to my history.

Can I ask how much Adex you're using? Thanks.

**Misery13** · 01-19-2011, 07:31 AM

I personally not a fan of the "short burst" cycles...but a good friend of mine only does them...30 day test prop and tren ace daily injections...very successful...his diet and training are dialed in.

**Kdub** · 01-19-2011, 07:32 AM

Saito,

I used 0.5 mgs on day 7-8 and have been using the same amount when I feel it is necessary, about every 4th day. I was hoping the Winstrol /DHT would take care of it (estrogen) but have been happy to use the Adex when necessary.

I used 0.5 mgs yesterday before bed and woke up quite "tight" (less water) and my performance suffered a little during today's workout. I will use 0.25 mgs next time. I discovered I need less Adex when running the Winstrol, considerably less in dose and frequency. Add that to my vault of lessons learned.

**Kdub** · 01-19-2011, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Misery13

I personally not a fan of the "short burst" cycles...but a good friend of mine only does them...30 day test prop and tren ace daily injections...very successful...his diet and training are dialed in.

Why not?

**Saito** · 01-19-2011, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Kdub

I discovered I need less Adex when running the Winstrol, considerably less in dose and frequency. Add that to my vault of lessons learned.

I find Winstrol suppressive. Maybe thats just me.
Doesnt that defeat the purpose of short cycling? (Better and faster recovery)

**40plusnewbie** · 01-19-2011, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ned&highlight=

Yes you can use long ester in a short burst cycle but you need to be experienced and from your understanding of short burst cycle I wouldnt recommend it, stick with short esters if your going to be running anything short.

If you read the above link it will explain in more detail about SHIC's

Thanks for the link Marcus, I've read up on Ronnie Rowland's short burst cycling, I've heard a lot of praise of what you've written on the topic. Subscribed to your thread you linked.

**psa** · 01-19-2011, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Duckhombre

Listen, you cannot do two weeks on and two weeks off for long periods and be healthy. The HPTA is not a light switch that turns on and off, more like steering heavy barge. I don't care what you do, at 750mg week there is no way you clear the enanthate and complete a successful pct in 4 weeks. Period. Unless you are some kind of freak, I'm sure there is one out there who got it, but for 90% of, impossible.

Sure you can and who's in this game to be healthy? And who said doing 2on/2off for long periods?? Of course you wouldn't clear the enth, thats why you'd use prop in that scenario...

**40plusnewbie** · 01-19-2011, 06:04 PM

I've been curious about short burst cycling for about 6 months. I am thinking of running a few:

Test Prop; then Test Prop and Tren A; then Test Prop, Tren A, and Halotestin .

Kind of extreme considering my phase of physiological development I know. I'm certainly open to other cycles instead of these but will stick with the prop in all 3.

**marcus300** · 01-19-2011, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by 40plusnewbie

Thanks for the link Marcus, I've read up on Ronnie Rowland's short burst cycling, I've heard a lot of praise of what you've written on the topic. Subscribed to your thread you linked.

Ronnies isn't short burst cycling its slingshot which its more or less long cycling method not short.

**Misery13** · 01-22-2011, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Kdub

Why not?

I never got any good results but after I read your post I was running to low a dose...no primer...but I hit the search engine on here and read all I could find and I'm going to try a short burst cycle a laid outlined on here...it won't be for awhile as I'm still recovering from 2 back surgery's. When I get cleared to train again I'm going to go natty until I plateau and then I will do a solid short burst cycle...I will post it so you guys can critique it before I start along with my diet then post a daily log with pics...

**Kdub** · 01-22-2011, 09:08 PM

Thats great - about getting acquainted with burst cycling. Marcus has stated a higher dose than usual is necessary along with a long prime to get the body ready to grow tissue.

I am on day 26 now and have zero sides. Usually I get a touch of acne but none thus far. Wish I have learned about burst cycling long ago.

Best of luck with your recovery.

**Misery13** · 01-22-2011, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kdub

Thats great - about getting acquainted with burst cycling. Marcus has stated a higher dose than usual is necessary along with a long prime to get the body ready to grow tissue.

I am on day 26 now and have zero sides. Usually I get a touch of acne but none thus far. Wish I have learned about burst cycling long ago.

Best of luck with your recovery.

Thanks...2010 was a long painful year but I'm starting to feel better faster now so I should be able to start training again soon...I may be pming you later for some pointers if that's cool?