Question about Test Prop and Stanozolol Cycle

**bber** · 01-17-2011, 03:29 PM

The plan is as follows:

Weeks 1-12: Testosterone Propionate @ 100mg/EOD
Weeks 1-14: Arimidex @ .25mg/E3D
Weeks 7-12: Oral Stanozolol @ 50mg/day

PCT: (Weeks 13-16)
Nolvadex @ 20mg/day for first 2 weeks
Nolvadex @ 10mg/day for last 2 weeks

Basically I just want to know how this looks, and any opinions would be awesome.

My diet is extremely strict, and I weigh everything down to the gram. I count all my calories and keep all my macros monitored each day, and make the necessary adjustments to keep losing at around 1-2lbs/week.

However, the reason I am running this cycle is to preserve as much muscle mass as possible and make decent strength gains during my cut.

Protein intake will dramatically increase, carbs will most likely be cycled (low on rest days or cardio days, moderate on lifting days, high on the day I need the most work on in terms of strength and size). Fats will be around moderate to.

I KNOW THIS WILL NOT MAKE ME "LOSE FAT" AND "GET SHREDDED", I KNOW IT ALL COMES DOWN TO DIETING, I AM RUNNING THIS TO PRESERVE MUSCLE MASS, HELP WITH STRENGTH GAINS, AND GIVE ME A BIT OF AN 'EDGE' FOR CUTTING. MY DIET IS PERFECTED AND I AM ALREADY LOSING AT A NICE AND SLOW STEADY PACE!

**layeazy** · 01-17-2011, 04:57 PM

Post up stats mate?

**bber** · 01-17-2011, 05:40 PM

5'8 209lbs...scale says I'm 23% bodyfat, but to be honest I think Im definitely less.

**Hitman Heimler** · 01-17-2011, 09:56 PM

Good luck with injecting both of those! Everytime I inject Stanz. my leg looks like a flopping fish:P lol. I cut mine with cottonseed oil and that helped a bit. I hope this doesn't affect you as much.

**bber** · 01-17-2011, 10:23 PM

I actually have been thinking it over, going to edit my post now...definitely switching to oral winny and will run milk thistle to help prevent liver damage.

**Hitman Heimler** · 01-17-2011, 10:41 PM

Don't let what I said scare you from injectable form; I was just saying that it made my leg a little twitchy when injecting. May not be that bad for you. And to be honest I think injectable is better.

**Hitman Heimler** · 01-17-2011, 10:41 PM

Don't let what I said scare you from injectable form; I was just saying that it made my leg a little twitchy when injecting. May not be that bad for you. And to be honest I think injectable is better.

**bber** · 01-18-2011, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Hitman Heimler

Don't let what I said scare you from injectable form; I was just saying that it made my leg a little twitchy when injecting. May not be that bad for you. And to be honest I think injectable is better.

I made up my mind before you posted, trust me you didn't scare lol.

I understand the injectable winny can be less harsh side effect wise, and more potent, but I'd rather pay less and pop pills, otherwise I'll be pinning everyday which will be a pain in the ass lol.

**bezzy** · 01-18-2011, 10:03 AM

at the mo in doing same cycle but only for a 6 week burst... had to go for the stan tabs. injection site was just too painful for winni ed... test prop has not boverd me once

3 week in.

**ronnin** · 01-18-2011, 10:21 AM

You can find oil based Stanozolol that is painless, if you so choose.

**bber** · 01-18-2011, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by bezzy

at the mo in doing same cycle but only for a 6 week burst... had to go for the stan tabs. injection site was just too painful for winni ed... test prop has not boverd me once

3 week in.

Yea dude thats to much pinning lol. I like prop, rotating with right glute, left glute, right quad, left quad...perfect amount of time to. How is your diet? and Have you noticed anything in the 3 weeks thus far?

Originally Posted by ronnin

You can find oil based Stanozolol that is painless, if you so choose.

Was thinking about it but definitely going to stick with the tabs. I'll get myself some milk thistle with atleast 80% silybum marianum from gnc as well.

Does anyone think its necessary to likre "pre load" the milk thistle before I start the winny tabs? And is it necessary to continue using it afterwards as well or only when Im on it? I was planning on using it before/during/after winny tabs.

**M302_Imola** · 01-19-2011, 06:03 AM

cycle looks good but why not run the winny at the end of the cycle instead of at the 1st? I ran a similar cycle a few summers ago and was really pleased...granted I primed my body for about 3 months prior to the start and got down to around 10% bf. At the end of my 10 week cycle I had gained 15lbs and dropped 1-2% bf...I was happy w/ the results.

**bber** · 01-19-2011, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by M302_Imola

cycle looks good but why not run the winny at the end of the cycle instead of at the 1st? I ran a similar cycle a few summers ago and was really pleased...granted I primed my body for about 3 months prior to the start and got down to around 10% bf. At the end of my 10 week cycle I had gained 15lbs and dropped 1-2% bf...I was happy w/ the results.

Totally forgot to edit post, I did change to the last 6 weeks instead of first 6 weeks thanks for reminding me cuz.

Pretty much same for me, already 4 weeks into cutting, and probably won't start this cycle until atleast another 4-6 weeks, possible even longer. Need to get all my cash for cycle, AI, PCT, milk thistle, more multi vitamins, more protein powder, and need to be able to afford the extra protein (fish, chicken, eggs etc)...So I already started saving lol.

Im hoping to constantly be losing weight each week though, so hopefully I won't gain, or if anything I'll maintain weight.

**M302_Imola** · 01-20-2011, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by bber

Totally forgot to edit post, I did change to the last 6 weeks instead of first 6 weeks thanks for reminding me cuz.

Pretty much same for me, already 4 weeks into cutting, and probably won't start this cycle until atleast another 4-6 weeks, possible even longer. Need to get all my cash for cycle, AI, PCT, milk thistle, more multi vitamins, more protein powder, and need to be able to afford the extra protein (fish, chicken, eggs etc)...So I already started saving lol.

Im hoping to constantly be losing weight each week though, so hopefully I won't gain, or if anything I'll maintain weight.

Don't be scared if the scale starts to rise a bit. You can take a off cycle diet where you are consistently losing 1-2 lbs per week and that same diet on cycle you could gain 1-2 per week...that's not to say that weight gain will be fat though. With a dialed in diet it can be mostly lean muscle gains.

**bber** · 01-20-2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by M302_Imola

Don't be scared if the scale starts to rise a bit. You can take a off cycle diet where you are consistently losing 1-2 lbs per week and that same diet on cycle you could gain 1-2 per week...that's not to say that weight gain will be fat though. With a dialed in diet it can be mostly lean muscle gains.

Yea that makes sense, thanks bro.

**M302_Imola** · 01-21-2011, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by bber

Yea that makes sense, thanks bro.

no prob

**bezzy** · 01-21-2011, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by bber

Yea dude thats to much pinning lol. I like prop, rotating with right glute, left glute, right quad, left quad...perfect amount of time to. How is your diet? and Have you noticed anything in the 3 weeks thus far?

Was thinking about it but definitely going to stick with the tabs. I'll get myself some milk thistle with atleast 80% silybum marianum from gnc as well.

Does anyone think its necessary to likre "pre load" the milk thistle before I start the winny tabs? And is it necessary to continue using it afterwards as well or only when Im on it? I was planning on using it before/during/after winny tabs.

so far better shape on the body abs have made a small apearence for the first time in a few years... quite happy so far cant wat for the end result.. my diet is good keeping a diary and weighing everting. going to up cardio now i want those abs!!

**dosXX** · 01-21-2011, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by bber

5'8 209lbs...scale says I'm 23% bodyfat, but to be honest I think Im definitely less.

include your age too pls!

**bber** · 01-22-2011, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by bezzy

so far better shape on the body abs have made a small apearence for the first time in a few years... quite happy so far cant wat for the end result.. my diet is good keeping a diary and weighing everting. going to up cardio now i want those abs!!

Haha sounds good man.

Originally Posted by dosXX

include your age too pls!

25, sorry about that, thought stats were just height and weight with bodyfat measurement lol.

**Duckhombre** · 01-22-2011, 11:59 PM

Hear me out. Twelve weeks, eod, and stan in suspension is going to be the bane of your whole cycle. Enanthate /Cypionate is a way better choice. Water and estro will be an afterthought with modern AI. Fugetabowtit. It's a bummer to do 40+ shots plus stanazol unless you are a pin cushion.

Bonus: You'll be in the mood to shoot that winny at the end.

**bber** · 01-23-2011, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Duckhombre

Hear me out. Twelve weeks, eod, and stan in suspension is going to be the bane of your whole cycle. Enanthate /Cypionate is a way better choice. Water and estro will be an afterthought with modern AI. Fugetabowtit. It's a bummer to do 40+ shots plus stanazol unless you are a pin cushion.

Bonus: You'll be in the mood to shoot that winny at the end.

Took out the stanozolol suspensions and replaced with stanozolol tabs, I agree that injecting everyday along with prop EOD is to much for me.

Already ordered my prop and winny tabs, will update this thread if I have any further questions or problems.