Joint pain and Deca

**delta1111** · 01-21-2011, 11:26 AM

I'm on a cycle of Test, Mast, Tren blend and suffering from really bad joint pain in the inside of my elbows, right at the top of my inner forearms. This makes workouts difficult, particularly heavy bicep curls, hammer curls and reverse curls even with low weight are actually quite painfull.
I have decided i'm gonna add some Deca in the mix to see if this eleviates the pain. I need some advise on how much to use per week and how long it should take to see results. I know that deca is slow acting in terms of building strength and mass (up to 6 weeks to see results) but i'm talking about joint pain eleviation. Would I need to wait the same amount of time to see results? Also, where would be the best place to inject in my case? Considering that the problem is in my arms, I would have thought, the best place to inject would be in my delts, bi's or tri's, as it's closer to the problem area, rather than my quads or glutes for example. Is my chain of thought correct?
Thanks.

**MBMETC** · 01-21-2011, 11:40 AM

medicinaly for joint pain i would start at 100mgs pw, but i would wanna be certain my problem wasn't the result of an injury rather than joint stress. souns kinda like tennis elbow, it sucks and takes a while to go away. take it easy where you can

**delta1111** · 01-22-2011, 01:27 AM

Thanks buddy. Anyone else?

**wizard1997** · 01-22-2011, 10:00 AM

How far are u into your cycle?

**Duckhombre** · 01-22-2011, 10:41 AM

I would more look into dropping the tren and mast. post your cycle and where you are at. The advice would differ significantly dependent on where you are in the thing.

**delta1111** · 01-23-2011, 09:48 AM

I'm 6 weeks in. What would be your reasoning for dropping the tren and mast?

**Far from massive** · 01-23-2011, 10:05 AM

I agree with what MBMETC said, it sounds like tennis elbow.

I don't know if you are familiar with the mechanics of the problem but its usually a bunch of small tears at the base of the tendon at the attachment point, while deca may accelerate healing (since apart from its joint lubing abilities it causes acceleration of many types of healing) keep in mind that you need to take time off from activities that strain this tendons attachment point severly to allow healing. Specifically reverse curls/hammer curls and any heavy curls where you are rotating the wrist to facilitate completing the motion. Try taking two weeks off, IE hammer and reverse curls and be very careful on the standard curls to avoid rotating the wrist and see if you do not see some major improvement.

Just my two cents, maybe some of the guys with more experience can chime in on specific things to avoid.

FFM

**delta1111** · 01-23-2011, 10:35 AM

Many thanks for your input FFM. I may have been a little unclear in my explanation in my original post. The pain I have is the elbow joint yes, but it's not the elbow itself. When you look at the area on the bottom of the bicep and upper inside forearm, this is the area (inner elbow). I always thought tennis elbow effects the elbow itself, like when you lean on a hard surface, it can be quite tender. I will try to find a picture to post up to show the exact area. The thing is, it feels like joint pain, but I suppose it could be muscle pain it's sometimes really hard to differenciate the two.

**delta1111** · 01-23-2011, 11:52 AM

This is an image that best shows the problem area. I am refering to the "B" area specifically. I know this area is muscle, but as said in my earlier post, it's hard to pinpoint if its muscle or joint. I'm thinking that when joint pain gets really bad it can refer pain to other areas like muscle. Same with muscle pain causing pain referal to joints.

If I was to use Deca , it would purely be for it's repair and joint lubing properties and not for it's mass and strength building. I have used Deca before a while ago and found it to be very weak for mass and strength and certainly no substitute for Tren . As far as I know, Tren and Mast have no negative effects on drying out the joints, like Winstrol does for example. That is why i'm interested in Duckhombre's suggestion of dropping Tren and Mast.

I took 2 weeks off at Christmas and to be honest, it was no better when I returned to training.