Clenbuterol- 1st timer

**swollcat** · 03-05-2003, 12:44 PM

Hey guys,
I am new to the world of anabolics but not to this webpage. I have been thinking and reading about it for quite some time.

I have a question about Clenbuterol (YES! I checked the other threads first!). I understand that you need to pyramid up to a certain dosage and pyramid back down. On a day that you are taking 2+ pills do you take them all in the morning or one throughout the day?

Other than that, I think I got it all down from reading the other threads. Any other quick advice would also be appreciated.

I know that you like to have stats on the person so here it goes:
21 years old
6 foot
210 Lbs.
15% body fatI have a pretty good diet, if anything I need to cut out carbs. Keep in mind right now I am trying to lower my body fat % more than build muscle.
Do cardio M-F for 25-45 minutes
Do Abs M-F
Monday- Chest and Tri's
Tuesday- BAcks and Bi's
Wednesday- Shoulders and Legs
Thursday- CHest and Tri's (Heavy)
Friday- Backs and Bi's (Heavy)

There it is, thanks guys I look forward to hearing your replies and I will kepp you updated on how the cycle went.

**painintheazz** · 03-05-2003, 12:47 PM

I wouldn't split on the lower tappering dosages, there is no real need to split anyway due to the long half life of it, but I notice a difference when I split my higher dosages up 2 times a day.

Pain

**mammoth** · 03-05-2003, 01:04 PM

It is definitely a good idea to taper up but I don't think it is necessary to taper down at the end. I personally split the high doses up during the day like painintheazz, however I don't wait long between doses. Usually I take first half of dose at 6:00am and then take second half of dose at 12:00am. I do this so I don't have restless nights. You may have to experiment with your dosage schedule some. Also, you will build a tolerance to the clen so you might want to cycle 2weeks on and 2weeks off.

**swollcat** · 03-05-2003, 01:41 PM

I intend on doing clen for 2 weeks on with 2 weeks of Xenadrine during the off time. I will also not taper off during the end of my cycle. Should my workout change any? Less weights, more cardio. Less cardio, more weights? Maybe do cardio but more of a slow and steady pace, avoiding running out of breath, more like a fat burning cardio?

**painintheazz** · 03-05-2003, 01:45 PM

Up the fat burning cardio, and still train with weights.

Pain

**wakin** · 03-05-2003, 08:25 PM

Ok I already asked this question in another thread, but I would like a clearer answer. I know you pyramid up the first time, then two weeks off. Now when you go back to the clen , do you pyramid up again or just go right back to 100mcg or whatever????

Also, I am spacing them out evenly from 7am to 4pm. Is that good or should I take them all at once?

**razor67** · 03-05-2003, 08:35 PM

i usually take 3-4 in the morning than 1 an hour till im done..

**Jeff1** · 03-05-2003, 08:40 PM

is Clenbuterol ?
Clenbuterol
is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
 
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life,
clenbuterol is not 
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system
stimulant and acts 
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as
other CNS stimulants 
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has
a half life of 35 
hours and not 48 hours.
Dosing
and Cycling
Clenbuterol
comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup,
pump 
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some
areas. Doses are 
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects,
but somewhere 
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets
a day for women is 
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after
around 8 weeks when 
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic /anti-catabolic
properties 
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half
life into 
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2
weeks on/ 2 weeks off 
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used
in the off weeks.
Clenbuterol
vs Ephedrine vs DNP 
Ephedrine
will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg
of DNP 
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises
metabolic levels 
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several
degrees.
DNP
is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will
never use it 
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no
anti-catabolic 
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's
short 
half-life prevents it from being all that effective. 
As
far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than
DNP's, and some 
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style
crash on 
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate
and sex drive. This 
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used
for only 2 weeks at a 
time. 
Side
effects
NAUSEA 
NERVOUSNESS 
DIZZINESS 
DROWSINESS 
DRY MOUTH 
FACIAL FLUSHING 
HEADACHE 
HEARTBURN 
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE 
INCREASED SWEATING 
INSOMNIA 
LIGHTHEADEDNESS 
MUSCLE CRAMPS 
TREMORS 
VOMITING 
CHEST PAIN
The
most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness,
headaches, and 
increased blood pressure.
Muscle
cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and
consuming 
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets
at 200-400mg a 
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams
is a necessity in 
minimizing cramps.
Headaches
can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at
the first 
signs of a headache. 
Common
Uses 
Post-Cycle
Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows
the 
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying
about adding 
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength
as well as his 
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.
Fat
loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle
hardness, 
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the
most significant 
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g
per lb of 
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight),
low fat diet(0.25g 
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.
Alternative
to Steroids : Clenbuterol has mild steroid -like properties
and can be 
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as
strength and muscle 
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat
diet work well.
Stimulant/Performance
Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA 
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter
half-life. Diet: To 
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates
must be 
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in
this case.
Precautions:
Is Clen for you?
The
same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to
Clen, although 
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should
not be stacked 
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine.
These combinations 
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be
used in moderation 
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.
A
word on Ketotifen
Ketotifen
is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries
to 
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors
that Clen down 
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use
of Clen for 6-8 weeks 
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen"
can make users 
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen
so doses must be 
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability
to induce 
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state
to be in when 
dieting. 
Cycling
Clenbuterol
Most
users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are
those who use 
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side
effects occur within 
the first 3-4 days of use. 
A
first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase
by one tab 
until the side effects are not tolerable 
Example
of a first cycle:
Day1:
20mcg 
Day2: 40mcg 
Day3: 60mcg 
Day4: 80mcg 
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects
are tolerable) 
Day6-Day12: 100mcg 
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some
users get back to 
normal gradually) 
Day14: 60 mcgs 
Day15: off 
Day16: off 
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack
Example
of a second cycle:
Day1:
60mcg 
Day2: 80mcg 
Day3: 80mcg 
Day4: 100mcg 
Day5: 100mcg 
Day6-Day12: 120mcg 
Day13: 100 mcg 
Day14: 80 mcgs 
Day15: off 
Day16: off 
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack
What
else do I need to know?
Taurine
MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes
taurine 
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3
in the liver. 
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect
and painful muscle 
cramps. It's a must with Clen. 
Clenbuterol
should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere
with 
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing
cardio, it's 
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style
routines. 
Do
not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons
a day.
If
you have any questions or comments on this article, email
me at <a href="mailto:[email protected]">bigandy69@zipli p.com</a>
 

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**razor67** · 03-05-2003, 09:16 PM

^^^
well alrighty then..

**roch** · 03-06-2003, 03:25 AM

I do the 2 days on 2 off so I don't have to ramp up again. when I do the 2 week on/off I need to ramp up because the shakes get me.

**painintheazz** · 03-06-2003, 06:01 AM

My second time taking clen I didn't ramp up, I was used to what the sides would be and could handle it. It is a personal thing.

Pain

**swollcat** · 03-12-2003, 02:09 AM

Just wondering.......Can you smoke weed while on Clen ?

I know no drinking, that kind of defeats the purpose.

Just wondering.

**painintheazz** · 03-12-2003, 06:07 AM

I guess so, it might help ease the CNS effects of the clen . I wouldn't recommend it though.

Pain

**Lostsoul** · 03-12-2003, 07:28 AM

for the first 2 weeks OFF when i went back on i did pyramid up a little, but you get used to the sides within the first 2 weeks, but as pain said its a personal thing, depends on how your body reacts to it.

I did smoke a little, helped on those sleepless nights, just be careful tho cuz it makes AM cardio a BITCH, you wont wanna get up in the morning, and most of the time you probably wont...

good luck with it anyway.

**poantrex** · 03-12-2003, 08:22 AM

2days on / 2 days off is absolutely useless with clen because the half life is ridiculously long. Since your receptors will downgrade in about 2 weeks EVEN IF you're doing 2 days on/off, you minuswell use it every damn day

**swollcat** · 09-25-2003, 11:52 AM

Hey guys,
It's been a while but I am back and looking better than ever. I originally posted my questions about Clen in March and after 2 cycles of it I have to say I am very happy with what I got. I would highly recommend it to anyone who is looking to get shredded, as long as they take it safely. I couldn't have done it without your guidance. Thanks again.

I know you like to hear updates on how it worked so here it goes:
I lost 3% body fat the first cycle (2 weeks) and about 1% the next time around. I took Xenadrine in between to continue the fat burning.

Speaking about Xenadrine, anybody know if the ephedra containing formula is still being sold anywhere. The guys at GNC say they are not carrying it anymore. I have tried the ephedra free stuff but it does nothing after doing the real thing. Any ideas??

**Testify** · 09-25-2003, 12:19 PM

Get some Stacker2 at ASN (see the AR home page). Cheap & effective.

**swollcat** · 09-25-2003, 12:20 PM

Does Stacker2 have ephedra?

***asymmetrical1*** · 09-25-2003, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff1

is Clenbuterol ?
Clenbuterol
is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
 
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life,
clenbuterol is not 
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system
stimulant and acts 
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as
other CNS stimulants 
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has
a half life of 35 
hours and not 48 hours.
Dosing
and Cycling
Clenbuterol
comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup,
pump 
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some
areas. Doses are 
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects,
but somewhere 
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets
a day for women is 
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after
around 8 weeks when 
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic /anti-catabolic
properties 
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half
life into 
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2
weeks on/ 2 weeks off 
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used
in the off weeks.
Clenbuterol
vs Ephedrine vs DNP 
Ephedrine
will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg
of DNP 
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises
metabolic levels 
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several
degrees.
DNP
is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will
never use it 
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no
anti-catabolic 
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's
short 
half-life prevents it from being all that effective. 
As
far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than
DNP's, and some 
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style
crash on 
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate
and sex drive. This 
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used
for only 2 weeks at a 
time. 
Side
effects
NAUSEA 
NERVOUSNESS 
DIZZINESS 
DROWSINESS 
DRY MOUTH 
FACIAL FLUSHING 
HEADACHE 
HEARTBURN 
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE 
INCREASED SWEATING 
INSOMNIA 
LIGHTHEADEDNESS 
MUSCLE CRAMPS 
TREMORS 
VOMITING 
CHEST PAIN
The
most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness,
headaches, and 
increased blood pressure.
Muscle
cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and
consuming 
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets
at 200-400mg a 
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams
is a necessity in 
minimizing cramps.
Headaches
can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at
the first 
signs of a headache. 
Common
Uses 
Post-Cycle
Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows
the 
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying
about adding 
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength
as well as his 
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.
Fat
loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle
hardness, 
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the
most significant 
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g
per lb of 
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight),
low fat diet(0.25g 
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.
Alternative
to Steroids : Clenbuterol has mild steroid -like properties
and can be 
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as
strength and muscle 
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat
diet work well.
Stimulant/Performance
Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA 
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter
half-life. Diet: To 
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates
must be 
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in
this case.
Precautions:
Is Clen for you?
The
same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to
Clen, although 
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should
not be stacked 
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine.
These combinations 
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be
used in moderation 
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.
A
word on Ketotifen
Ketotifen
is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries
to 
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors
that Clen down 
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use
of Clen for 6-8 weeks 
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen"
can make users 
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen
so doses must be 
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability
to induce 
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state
to be in when 
dieting. 
Cycling
Clenbuterol
Most
users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are
those who use 
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side
effects occur within 
the first 3-4 days of use. 
A
first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase
by one tab 
until the side effects are not tolerable 
Example
of a first cycle:
Day1:
20mcg 
Day2: 40mcg 
Day3: 60mcg 
Day4: 80mcg 
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects
are tolerable) 
Day6-Day12: 100mcg 
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some
users get back to 
normal gradually) 
Day14: 60 mcgs 
Day15: off 
Day16: off 
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack
Example
of a second cycle:
Day1:
60mcg 
Day2: 80mcg 
Day3: 80mcg 
Day4: 100mcg 
Day5: 100mcg 
Day6-Day12: 120mcg 
Day13: 100 mcg 
Day14: 80 mcgs 
Day15: off 
Day16: off 
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack
What
else do I need to know?
Taurine
MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes
taurine 
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3
in the liver. 
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect
and painful muscle 
cramps. It's a must with Clen. 
Clenbuterol
should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere
with 
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing
cardio, it's 
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style
routines. 
Do
not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons
a day.
If
you have any questions or comments on this article, email
me at <a href="mailto:[email protected]">bigandy69@zipli p.com</a>
 

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WTF?

**Testify** · 09-25-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by swollcat

Does Stacker2 have ephedra?

It does.

**Jeremy34** · 09-26-2003, 02:29 PM

Stackers do have ephedra. I found them better than Hydroxycut and Xenedrine. When you get them though, make sure they are the yellow pills. Some are half yellow and half purple or blue. Those don't have ephedra. You can find them at most gas stations and truck stops.

J