Sarting Anabolics

[youngchevy266]

I was thinking about starting to use anabolics and i was wondering if anyone can help me with what would be best to use and when i should start taking PCT? i am planing on only doin a 6 week cycle.

[sixoner]

why dont you start out with your stats bro. and perhaps you can get the correct advice on how to proceed.

height?
weight?
age?
years training?

welcome to the boards

[youngchevy266]

sorry but Stas? lol. but im 5' 5'' 137 19. and i have benn training for about a year. i kno im prolly small or somthing but i think that i could hold the gains for for how my body is built. i was thinking on how to keep my gains by taking protein

[sixoner]

forget about steroids bro..take advantage of your natural test levels and the growth window that you are experiencing right now..get a proper diet going and train hard you willl be amazed at how much you will grow..

[youngchevy266]

Trust me i am done growing. ive been the same height since i was 13.all i did was just got stonger and more tone. all i want to do is get bigger and even more stonger. sorry if im being rude but all i want to kno is what would anyone recommend to use? all i want to do is just take them for just a 6 week cycle and after take protein and keep training hard. thank you though.

[sixoner]

head over to the diet section those guys will get you squared away.

[sixoner]

I seriously doubt anyone here is going to advise you to use steroids at your age bro..your body is still developing at your age regardless of what you may think your body/endocrine system is not done maturing and using steroids may cause more harm than good..you have plenty of natural hormones right now to grow like a weed..get your diet and training squared away and quit looking for a short cut there is no short cut there is no magic... hard training and discipline is what will get you the results you're after in a much safer and maintainable manner

[youngchevy266]

alright sounds good. if thats what you think is best. what would be best beside steroids to use that would help me with this? Thank you again.

[Bigd89]

Food!

[biobest692]

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[youngchevy266]

haha. yea i eat alot though. and i cant gain weight from eating. wut about protein, creatine, amino acid tuff, or anything like that?

[youngchevy266]

one mor question. if i were to take steroids , how would it do more bad then good?

[dru23]

and yes, you may feel like your metabolism is too fast and food doesnt help you grow. but thats just not true, its not just ab how much you eat, its about what you eat, when you eat it, how often etc etc etc. eating can become a science, and if you get it down right no steroid can match what food can do. and other things to help right now are, get a good multivitamin, make sure you cover all your amino acids and omega fatty acids. those are some good things to include with your diet that will aid in your growth and sculpting, but mainly FOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[cro]

it wont be good thats 4sure

one mor question. if i were to take steroids, how would it do more bad then good?

[dru23]

read back, as he said even though you havent grown taller, your body is still developing, the average male body doesnt reach its full growth until ages 22-24. and there is also the issue of dependency, taking roids at this age can cause a dependency, i know, i did it. but it can effect a lot of things negatively and keep your body from ever reaching the full potential you could have reached having not done them. i did my first cycle when i was 19, and now at 26 i have the test levels of a 45 year old, so i am actually prescribed test because of this. plus it is seriously pointless, the reason we do juice at later stages in our life is to reach the test levels you have right now naturally.

[sixoner]

this is from one of very respected vets, mod, big bros on here enjoy the read. also check out the stickies at the top of the sections for more info as well

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.


I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

Marcus

AGE

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.


Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.


Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING

You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.


Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.


Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET

A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.


No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.


This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[dru23]

this is from one of very respected vets, mod, big bros on here enjoy the read. also check out the stickies at the top of the sections for more info as well

^^^ this, i saw this recently and looked for it to post in here but couldnt find it. great read and exaclty what you need to be hearing.

[youngchevy266]

i just wanted to know. i know im not going to take them for sure now. ill wait another like 10 years or something. Thanks guys it was very helpful.

[SlimJoe]

Research and food

[vtach12]

Food and patients. Seriously you are probably to young for steroids . Unless you fall into a very small population of people with rare conditions. And this can be confirmed by lab work. How many calories and grams of protein are you consuming daily? Most people do not eat enough, I am still struggling to fuel enough. Eating right while trying to bulk up is practically a part time job!

[lovbyts]

Hello,
I would like to make a few more basic points. Most of us here have been where you are to PLEASE trust us. Plenty of people made the mistake to later regret doing it at a young age.

Most of us including me THOUGHT our diet was good and we could eat anything and everything and not gain weight/size. A lot of it is learning the right foods to eat and the right times. Forget about 3 meals a day. You need to eat 6 or more and of specific foods. Also another typical mistake is over training. Working the same muscle group more than 2x a week and doing to many sets. Personally I like working one muscle group a day. Be careful if you do this because it's even easier to over train and to do to many sets.

If you get your diet in check (visit the diet section) you will gain as much as someone your age using aas except you wont experience any negative side effect, you wont loose your gains unless you stop working out and you can laugh at all the guys who go from 140 lbs up to 170 lbs and back to 140 lbs in 3 months. It's also a lot cheaper and no risk of getting in trouble for having a controlled substance.

[dru23]

Hello,
I would like to make a few more basic points. Most of us here have been where you are to PLEASE trust us. Plenty of people made the mistake to later regret doing it at a young age.

Most of us including me THOUGHT our diet was good and we could eat anything and everything and not gain weight/size. A lot of it is learning the right foods to eat and the right times. Forget about 3 meals a day. You need to eat 6 or more and of specific foods. Also another typical mistake is over training. Working the same muscle group more than 2x a week and doing to many sets. Personally I like working one muscle group a day. Be careful if you do this because it's even easier to over train and to do to many sets.

If you get your diet in check (visit the diet section) you will gain as much as someone your age using aas except you wont experience any negative side effect, you wont loose your gains unless you stop working out and you can laugh at all the guys who go from 140 lbs up to 170 lbs and back to 140 lbs in 3 months. It's also a lot cheaper and no risk of getting in trouble for having a controlled substance.

^^ yup!

[InfiniteMuscle]

OMG bro, 5'5 137?? And youre only 19. What you need is a good diet. Believe it or not, you can gain a ton of weight if you ate correctly. Meaning a ton of food! Steroids would not make you grow and faster than a good diet would at this point. Stay consistent for several years, you would be surprised how many changes will occur over that time span.