18 y/o brother on cycle!

**ToTheNextLvl** · 05-01-2011, 11:43 AM

Hey guys im very concerned about my little brother ive been lifting for about 2 1/2 years and my brother came with me the other day and said he has a cycle planned out! my mouth literally dropped. I told him he could screw up his body but he came back with "ive done the research i have a beginner cycle with a pct as well" this shocked me that he had actually done his research haha anyways he said if he runs it properly there should be little to no side effects. I know the dangers of teen steroid use but if he runs his cycle properly will the risk of stunting his growth and messing up his endocrine system be as high? please help

**ToTheNextLvl** · 05-01-2011, 11:46 AM

i texted him and asked his cycle this is what he sent me

"10 weeks 250mg test e
nolvadex on hand for signs of gyno

pct:

Clomid
Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day"

**higgy** · 05-01-2011, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by ToTheNextLvl

Hey guys im very concerned about my little brother ive been lifting for about 2 1/2 years and my brother came with me the other day and said he has a cycle planned out! my mouth literally dropped. I told him he could screw up his body but he came back with "ive done the research i have a beginner cycle with a pct as well" this shocked me that he had actually done his research haha anyways he said if he runs it properly there should be little to no side effects. I know the dangers of teen steroid use but if he runs his cycle properly will the risk of stunting his growth and messing up his endocrine system be as high? please help

Hold on let me guess, this isnt about your brother.....its really you.
Its sounds like youre trying to get info on your own cycle

What are your, I mean your brothers stats?

**gthom47** · 05-01-2011, 11:51 AM

your brother is too young and even if he has done the research, no amount of research will fix his body if he messes it up.

**ToTheNextLvl** · 05-01-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by higgy

Hold on let me guess, this isnt about your brother.....its really you.
Its sounds like youre trying to get info on your own cycle

What are your, I mean your brothers stats?

i see where your coming from, very fishy sounding, but not about me haha, I already mentioned him being 18, at the gym with clothes one he weighed 185? or one 195 not quit sure i can text him and ask though. Should i ask lifting sats, bf%, etc?

**Evader** · 05-01-2011, 12:11 PM

your little brother is the same age as you? your profile says you're 18.

No matter what he shouldn't be cycling at 18. He's not going to get much if any benefit from 250/week either. waste of money and too much risk.. he just needs to eat and get a good workout plan.

**warren916** · 05-01-2011, 12:14 PM

If you want to risk the chance of never having kids, permanently ruining your hormonal balance, amongst MANY other things, then go for it.

When you in your late 20's and you meet this gorgeous girl, and you cant get a boner....well you can go back and say, damn i wish i hadnt cycled.

Thing about your future, you can always do it down the road when your older.

**themoreyouknow** · 05-01-2011, 12:17 PM

its stupid and not needed. I wanted to cycle so bad when i was 18 and I am so glad I waited. He's too young..let alone, the amount of lifting and diet experience he will gain over the next 5 or so years will be GREATLY helpfully when he does eventually cycle...

**ToTheNextLvl** · 05-01-2011, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Evader

your little brother is the same age as you? your profile says you're 18.

No matter what he shouldn't be cycling at 18. He's not going to get much if any benefit from 250/week either. waste of money and too much risk.. he just needs to eat and get a good workout plan.

This isn't looking well on my part haha im not 18, 23 actually, quickly made the account didn't pay attention to the year i clicked. Ive explained to him the risks, stunted growth, messing up his endocrine system, gyno, etc. still doesnt listen though

**SlimmerMe** · 05-01-2011, 12:34 PM

Ask him this? if a complete stranger looks at him do they see a boy or man? If I passed him down the street would I say...I saw a boy?

Probably so. Tell him that since he is still a boy he will not grow into the man he wants to be because once he introduces synthetic hormones into his body, his body starts to think it no longer needs to produce any of his own natural hormones so they STOP producing since they are no longer needed. And once this happens? He will end up in the OVER 40 FORUM! 'tis true.

**ToTheNextLvl** · 05-01-2011, 12:45 PM

^^ eh bad question to ask him due to the fact he has a full beard, has more facial hair then me!

**SlimmerMe** · 05-01-2011, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by ToTheNextLvl

^^ eh bad question to ask him due to the fact he has a full beard, has more facial hair then me!

okay....then just tell him the OVER 40 part......that will do it! and it is true. I have seen so many threads here where an 18-19 year old begs for help after cycling and then has to be on HRT forever to even feel good at all.

**Blade15** · 05-01-2011, 12:58 PM

**ToTheNextLvl** · 05-01-2011, 12:58 PM

ok I'll show him this thread when he comes over. earlier when i was texting him i told him his testes will shrink and stop producing but then he told me the clomid and hcg will bring them back, i didnt know how to respond to that

**SlimmerMe** · 05-01-2011, 01:06 PM

"The Young and Steroids " by MARCUS 300

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

**ToTheNextLvl** · 05-01-2011, 01:10 PM

great post will definitely make sure he reads it.

**bigbossofdariver** · 05-01-2011, 04:03 PM

hey bro stop fruading saw your post on elite fitness
Im 18, i know im going to get flamed for this, mind you i will listen to what all of you have to say. Im here to ask questions and im hoping i will get mature answers in return. I have been lifting since i was 14. Im leaning toward running this cycle

250mg test e for 10 weeks
nolva on hand in case signs of gyno appear

PCT: start 2 weeks after last pin
Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day

From what i have read hcg is not required for this cycle, but im willing to spend the extra money on buying if it should be necessary for me.
Im keeping it just test so i know how my body responds to it also low dosage so i can get the feel for it.

I eat 3,500-4,000 cals daily
minimum of 175g Protein

I am willing to learn from what you all have to say
same user name too

**Windex** · 05-01-2011, 04:48 PM

Thinking Nolvadex is used for gyno shows the ignorance in "your brothers" knowledge for steroids .

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development

DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

(From Marcus)

Do yourself a huge favor and do not cycle. I doubt you are even eating properly, so you wouldn't even keep any of the mass you put on anyways. Just plain stupid to be doing any kind of steroids at your age.

**dec11** · 05-01-2011, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by ToTheNextLvl

ok I'll show him this thread when he comes over. earlier when i was texting him i told him his testes will shrink and stop producing but then he told me the clomid and hcg will bring them back, i didnt know how to respond to that

do you think we are stupid? stop fishing for cycle info you silly child and wise up

**dec11** · 05-01-2011, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by bigbossofdariver

hey bro stop fruading saw your post on elite fitness
Im 18, i know im going to get flamed for this, mind you i will listen to what all of you have to say. Im here to ask questions and im hoping i will get mature answers in return. I have been lifting since i was 14. Im leaning toward running this cycle

250mg test e for 10 weeks
nolva on hand in case signs of gyno appear

PCT: start 2 weeks after last pin
Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day

From what i have read hcg is not required for this cycle, but im willing to spend the extra money on buying if it should be necessary for me.
Im keeping it just test so i know how my body responds to it also low dosage so i can get the feel for it.

I eat 3,500-4,000 cals daily
minimum of 175g Protein

I am willing to learn from what you all have to say
same user name too

and bingo, what do we find at the bottom of the thread? busted!

OP must think the rest of us were born y'day

**cyounger100** · 05-01-2011, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by higgy

Hold on let me guess, this isnt about your brother.....its really you.
Its sounds like youre trying to get info on your own cycle

What are your, I mean your brothers stats?

i agree i feel like all the posta bout brother friend etc is always really bout OP

**cyounger100** · 05-01-2011, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by ToTheNextLvl

ok I'll show him this thread when he comes over. earlier when i was texting him i told him his testes will shrink and stop producing but then he told me the clomid and hcg will bring them back, i didnt know how to respond to that

lolllllllllllllllllllll i texted him and he said etc etc lol i am done looking at these friends / brothers thread useless kids

**lovbyts** · 05-02-2011, 04:34 AM

Read this
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-2-years-later.
There are 100s like this and it's where you are headed.

**slimshady01** · 05-02-2011, 05:04 AM

Are kids really this Fcking stupid? My brother is starting a cycle? WTF just make a user name and say you are 30 and ask advice would seem the better way to lie and be an idiot.

**MuttonChop** · 05-02-2011, 07:31 AM

I apologize beforehand because I have to say this in CAPS:

LEARN HOW TO LIE FIRST BEFORE YOU DO A ******** CYCLE~!!!!! AND BEFORE THAT, GO GET YOUR IQ CHECKED.

There, out of the way.

Now, seriously? Really? Is that the best you could do? O...M...G

I guess I wasn't done.

**brad1986** · 05-02-2011, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by bigbossofdariver

hey bro stop fruading saw your post on elite fitness
Im 18, i know im going to get flamed for this, mind you i will listen to what all of you have to say. Im here to ask questions and im hoping i will get mature answers in return. I have been lifting since i was 14. Im leaning toward running this cycle

250mg test e for 10 weeks
nolva on hand in case signs of gyno appear

PCT: start 2 weeks after last pin
Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day

From what i have read hcg is not required for this cycle, but im willing to spend the extra money on buying if it should be necessary for me.
Im keeping it just test so i know how my body responds to it also low dosage so i can get the feel for it.

I eat 3,500-4,000 cals daily
minimum of 175g Protein

I am willing to learn from what you all have to say
same user name too

Ya his profile even sys hes 18! I notice somthing like this everyday on here

**njviking** · 05-02-2011, 10:16 AM

other than the pure comedy in these threads there are to many to often....

but i do get a good laugh out of reading them. pretty much every time i read a thread that starts with "my friend, my brother, some kid i know" i get ready for some entertainment..

**magicstick2003** · 05-02-2011, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Windex

Thinking Nolvadex is used for gyno shows the ignorance in "your brothers" knowledge for steroids .

.

not to nit pick but nolva is an anti estrogen which given a test only cycle would decrease chances of gyno...

however i do agree with those on here 18 is too young, hell i look back when i was that age i researched the shit out of it and waited but looking back how many 18 year olds really have any clue how to lift or eat???

**Windex** · 05-02-2011, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by magicstick2003

not to nit pick but nolva is an anti estrogen which given a test only cycle would decrease chances of gyno...

however i do agree with those on here 18 is too young, hell i look back when i was that age i researched the shit out of it and waited but looking back how many 18 year olds really have any clue how to lift or eat???

Point taken, just the way he phrased his sentence made it imply that he was going to use Nolvadex as if it was Aromasin or another AI.